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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:05 PM Nov 2012

Jesus Fucking Christ = Restoring Reason to Election Integrity Madness [View all]

It is a new affliction, stinging the crazies on both ends of the political spectrum, and they have gone wild bull-horning their beliefs, lack of evidence be damned. The election fraud meme used to force voter ID laws is the supreme example. Now, a post-election mania has filled public fora and cooler minds are having to waste time damping the fires of irrationality. Marcos says it best so far:

Anonymous claims it stopped Karl Rove from hacking the vote


Jesus Fucking Christ
Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.
I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.
So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.


by kos on Sat Nov 17, 2012 - http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162678/48471137#c642

Now this in an e-mail from Bev Harris:

OF DIVERSIONS, FABRICATIONS, AND RED HERRINGS -

My e-mail seems to have two recurring themes lately, each from the opposite side of the political spectrum. It goes like this:
"Hey, have you seen this? Anonymous claims to have hacked Karl Rove's intended election manipulation."
And this:
"Are you doing anything about the rampant voter fraud that put Obama in office?"

1. The alleged "hack" by Anonymous may or may not have been real, but if it was, a careful reading indicates that it was not a hack of voting machines, but more akin to the odious phone-jamming scheme used by a Republican operative in New Hampshire some years back. Whether you wear a blue or red political shirt, this kind of attack is nothing to brag about. It involves interfering with get out the vote efforts, and regardless of which side is working on get out the vote, obstructing such efforts is uncool.

There is no credible proof that this Anonymous hack even happened. If it did, it violated the principle of encouraging political participation. We have to be careful about stories such as this, because they can divert important work on election transparency into chasing phantoms.

2. The "rampant voter fraud" claim diverts attention from where wholesale tampering actually takes place. If you plan to rig an election, you do it as an inside job, not with alleged busloads of people casting multiple votes, and not with herds of voter impersonators fooling election judges.

You do it with absentees, you do it by manipulating who can vote, you do it by altering the voting machine counts, you do it by thwarting chain of custody. In other words, it's not the outsiders -- the voters -- where the focus needs to be. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Who handled the ballots? Who watched? Who programmed the machines? Was the list loaded into electronic pollbooks the real one? Was the count interrupted for some reason? Did any ballots disappear? Were people prevented from voting? How do we know that the ballots said to have been mailed in are the same ones that were counted, and how do we know they were put into the pool by real voters rather than an elections worker?

We need to step away from our favorite political candidates to deal with the underlying structural problem. Until we fix transparency problems, actual tampering -- considerably more damaging than anything Anonymous claimed to have done -- will happen over and over.

The real problem that we have to wrap our heads around, educate others about, and solve, is public right to see and authenticate the count.

Germany ruled that the public must be able to see and authenticate every essential step of the election, without need for special expertise, and that no after the fact procedure can be substituted for the right to authenticate the original count.

That is exactly the model we here in the USA need to work towards, but first, we have to help the public understand that public controls over our own elections are the very essence of self-government, and self-government is the basis for all democratic systems.

There are four things the public must be able to see and authenticate:
1) Who can vote (voter list)
2) Who did vote (poll list)
3) Counting of the vote
4) Chain of custody


These are the fundamental issues, and we will restore these to the American public, once we properly identify them and demand these things, with no compromise and no wasting time on side issues, half-measures, or capitulation.

You may ask what you can do to help. I love that question. It's so much better than the passive "what is being done?"

Each major civil rights movement has several stages. We are now moving from the focus group stage, where we have been learning to craft the most accurate description of the problem to be solved, in the most persuasive terms, and into the distribution stage, where we are passing the message -- quite literally -- from person to person to build momentum to help tip the scales in legal and legislative efforts.

So that's what you can do: Learn to discuss election transparency in terms of basic right to self-govern, which is the principle that is the foundation for all democratic systems. To have self-governance, you have to have real, tangible, meaningful transparency.

Specifically, "The public must be able to see and authenticate each essential step of the election, without need for special expertise, and no after-the-fact procedure can be substituted for the right to authenticate the original.

* * * * *


It is obvious who does this stuff and why.
It is tragic to see who falls for it.

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It is irrelevant madamesilverspurs Nov 2012 #1
It is relevant Coyotl Nov 2012 #3
Words = truth PageOneQ Nov 2012 #23
"you do it by altering the voting machine counts,"---Bev Harris. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #2
+ 1 add Brad and the rest of the loons nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #5
There are lots of issues that need "some fixing" as you say. Coyotl Nov 2012 #8
Problem is that vote rigging is as old as the US nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #12
But one does not follow on the other Coyotl Nov 2012 #13
This is as recent as... the Republican PRIMAIRIES nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #14
You are confused about what I know Coyotl Nov 2012 #16
Ok nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
Your fixation on the delusion that people who say "this is not vote rigging" somehow means they're Brickbat Nov 2012 #22
"And, in fact, it's CT" - Agreed. Ohio Joe Nov 2012 #4
Respectfully disagree. xfundy Nov 2012 #6
When states use voting machines sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #7
I have plenty of popcorn here. longship Nov 2012 #9
The difference between genius and stupidity is that Coyotl Nov 2012 #10
What did he have to say about insufferable arrogance? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #19
Thast it is a certain sign Coyotl Nov 2012 #21
Touche'. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24
KOS: Fraudsters, take your shit elsewhere Coyotl Nov 2012 #11
All it is is cyber-crime RobertEarl Nov 2012 #15
Exactly! reusrename Nov 2012 #18
Kos is NOT denying that cyber crime happens. He is just saying no to CT Coyotl Nov 2012 #20
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