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25. The condition was bad enough to be a contributing trigger to the "great NE blackout of 2003)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 10:32 AM

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https://www.power-grid.com/executive-insight/13-years-after-the-northeast-black-of-2003-changed-grid-industry-still-causes-fear-for-future/

Thankfully here in Philly, the grid operators monitoring the PJM Interconnection (Pennsylvania-New Jersey-Maryland) grid were able to make some quick decisions that although killed the power in upstate (NE) PA, saved it further south through Philly and into D.C., which is part of that grid. So we didn't lose power here (thankfully).

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