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27. "There's not enough anti-abortion Democrats on Capitol Hill to fill a phone booth"
Thu May 5, 2022, 08:05 AM
May 2022

I remember back in 2010, there were at least 12 of them who along with Bart Stupak (remember him?) refused to vote for the ACA unless abortion access had some kind of restriction, which initially meant that the "Hyde Amendment" wasn't enough. There were actually 64 Democrats who voted for Stupak's "Amendment".

Could Issue of Abortion Derail Health Care Bill?

Rep. Stupak says he won't vote for bill if it contains Senate abortion language.

By HUMA KHAN
March 4, 2010, 6:40 AM


WASHINGTON, March 4, 2010— -- Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., today said he and 11 other House members will not vote for the health care bill unless it includes more stringent language to prevent federal funding from going toward abortion services. "We're not going to vote for this bill with that kind of language," Stupak told "Good Morning America's" George Stephanopoulos today, referring to the Senate health care bill, which includes less restrictive language than what the Democratic lawmaker proposed in the House.

Stupak said he is willing to take the criticism that will be hurled at him if he blocks the bill because of the abortion language, but that he won't back down on his principles. "I want to see health care pass. I agree... people are being priced out of the market. We must have health care but, boy, there are some principles and beliefs that some of us are not going to pass," he said. "We're prepared to take the responsibility. I mean, I've been catching it ever since last fall. Let's face it, I want to see health care. But we're not going to bypass some principles and beliefs that we feel strongly about."

The ongoing abortion debate threatens to stall the health care bill and reflects the deep divide among Democrats. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs today said the president would like to see the House pass the health care bill before he departs for his international trip on March 18, but that does include passing the "fixes" that the White House has proposed.House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., today said that the bill makes no changes to the existing law on abortion.

"There is no change in the access to abortion, no more no less. It is abortion neutral," Pelosi told reporters. "If you believe that there should be no federal funding for abortion, and if you believe that there should be no change in policy... we will pass the bill." Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius told Stephanopoulos on "GMA" that the bill is not about abortion, but about changing the health care system to ease the burden on families and small businesses facing skyrocketing insurance premiums.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare/abortion-issue-derail-obama-democrats-health-care-efforts/story?id=10006591


Bart Stupak, A Year After Health Care: Getting 'Bitched Out' in Airports, How the Deal Went Down, and More

By Chris Good
March 23, 2011

Former congressman Bart Stupak was the lynchpin of health reform's passage, and he paid a price for it in the end.
The pro-life, Michigan Democrat led a small but powerful bloc of Democratic lawmakers to oppose the bill because of its language on federal funding of abortions. Seemingly at the last minute, Stupak and the White House hammered out a compromise, his pro-life allies supported the bill, and it passed by a thin margin.

After that, Stupak received a death threat. Facing outside spending in his district and a vitriolic political climate, he decided not to run for reelection. Now, he's a visiting fellow at Harvard's Institute of Politics.

On health care reform's first birthday, Stupak told The Atlantic about getting "bitch[ed] out" by angry citizens in airports, how he and President Obama reached the deal that secured the bill's passage, and that Rahm Emanuel knows better than to get in his face.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/03/bart-stupak-a-year-after-health-care-getting-bitched-out-in-airports-how-the-deal-went-down-and-more/72938/


Per this, there were 6 others with him at the time of his announcement of finally agreeing to it (of that group, there is still one still in Congress - Marcy Kaptur) - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stupak-to-vote-yes-on-health-care-bill/

Stupak was joined at the press conference by six other lawmakers, including Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), who had said previously she would vote yes, and Kathy Dahlkemper (D-PA), Nick Rahall (D-WV), Alan Mollohan (D-WV), Steve Driehaus (D-OH), Joe Donnelly (D-IN), who all said they would now be yes votes.


After he left congress, he was a huge supporter of Hobby Lobby (and their case).

There are still some in there and I hate to say. Below were some remaining post-ACA after trying to torpedo the ACA to forbid abortion services (bolded are still sitting members of Congress) -

Colin Peterson MN-07
Jim Cooper TN-05
Dan Lipinski IL-03
Stephen Lynch MA-08
Sanford Bishop GA-02
Jim Costa CA-16
Henry Cuellar TX-28
Jim Langevin RI-02
Tim Ryan OH-13
Richard Neal MA-01
Marcy Kaptur OH-09
Mike Doyle PA-14


(we know Tim Ryan just won the primary to run for Senate in OH)

And the one about to get a laser focus includes my own Senator, whose father was the defendant (as Governor) in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

Granted, Bob Casey, Jr. is definitely NOT his father and has been much more moderate on the issue. But I know some of the local (and probably national) media have started to bubble about it...

If Roe v. Wade falls, Pennsylvania’s pro-life Sen. Bob Casey becomes a linchpin for abortion rights

He was one of two Dems who didn’t join 48 other senators in co-sponsoring the Women’s Health Protection Act.


Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill in December 2021 Carolyn Kaster / AP Photo

Lizzy McLellan Ravitch
May. 03, 2022, 1:15 p.m.


Bob Casey is an outlier among his Democratic colleagues in the U.S. Senate. As a pro-life Democrat, he wants to limit the number of abortions that take place in the U.S. — but he also doesn’t approve of Republicans’ recent attempts to weaponize the issue. A draft of a U.S. Supreme Court decision leaked Monday night, indicating a likelihood that the justices will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. Casey responded to the leaked opinion in a statement Tuesday afternoon.

“If this draft opinion becomes the final opinion of the Court, I have serious concerns about what overturning almost 50 years of legal precedent will mean for women in states passing near or total bans on abortion,” Casey said. “Congress should be working to reduce the number of abortions and unintended pregnancies and doing much more to support women and families.”

After the SCOTUS draft leaked, pro-choice advocates renewed calls for federal lawmakers to pass a law that would preserve abortion rights. The U.S. House of Representatives passed the Women’s Health Protection Act last fall. The Senate then voted in late February, but the act failed to get majority support.

Just two of the 50 sitting Democratic senators held back from co-sponsoring the bill. One was West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who ultimately joined Republicans (as he has on other issues) and voted against moving the act forward. The other holdout who declined to sponsor the bill was Casey, who has throughout his political career described himself as a pro-life Democrat. His father, former Pa. Gov. Bob Casey Sr., was famously pro-life.

https://billypenn.com/2022/05/03/bob-casey-abortion-senate-pro-life-democrat-scotus/


The entire thing above is just to make people aware because some of these people ARE getting pounded by some of their constituents now.
Excuse me? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2022 #1
Do you want to feel like you're right or Loki Liesmith May 2022 #3
I want to protect our rights. Voltaire2 May 2022 #24
Nice to know our rights can be bargained away by our allies to ensure a win for them. Autumn May 2022 #55
We don't win if we're imploding from inside. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #32
A huge percentage incorrectly think that overturning Roe makes abortion illegal nationwide Polybius May 2022 #70
Are you NOT paying attention??? Banning ALL abortion is what these woman- niyad May 2022 #77
Are you? Polybius May 2022 #79
So we don't shun them - Guaranteed win. Bookmarking. ck4829 May 2022 #73
I don't think we ought to shun them Vogon_Glory May 2022 #31
Big tent. Lots of issues. Lots of different views: Tomconroy May 2022 #2
Agreed padah513 May 2022 #5
Win what? A more broken government? Emile May 2022 #7
Okay atreides1 May 2022 #16
The big tent has people whose views are different than yours. Tomconroy May 2022 #21
How many federal judges would have been approved Tomconroy May 2022 #23
Big tent is messy, but better than politically correct small tent, - that loses elections empedocles May 2022 #20
Right on! Single issue litmus tests in local races will not lead to a Dem majority/governance. dutch777 May 2022 #22
Funny how the other party wins and enforces Voltaire2 May 2022 #25
Last time I checked Biden was still president. Tomconroy May 2022 #30
We won gay rights during those years and had choice because of Democrats JI7 May 2022 #36
Gay people won gay rights. Not Democrats. (nt) Duncan Grant May 2022 #39
Most Gay people are Democrats and it wouldn't have happened if republicans had been in office JI7 May 2022 #40
Gay people did the work. Duncan Grant May 2022 #50
That's always been the case. Doesn't change the fact that the democratic party JI7 May 2022 #51
If it's all the same to you, I'm giving the credit where credit is really due. Duncan Grant May 2022 #52
Yes, and it would not happen with Republicans in office JI7 May 2022 #53
You are inthewind21 May 2022 #58
A whole LOT of Gay Men are Republican and voted for Reagan then Bush et al msfiddlestix May 2022 #74
Congratulations on your 5,000 post milestone. niyad May 2022 #76
Thanks! 5000 loudmouth blasts and counting. Tomconroy May 2022 #80
Not sure... agingdem May 2022 #4
Manchin is not pro-choice FBaggins May 2022 #9
you're right..he's not.. agingdem May 2022 #10
"He owns us" yes... but that also answers the question in the OP FBaggins May 2022 #11
We need to own his ass. hamsterjill May 2022 #43
Really inthewind21 May 2022 #59
The House already passed the Womens Health Protection Act tirebiter May 2022 #6
Totally agree with you. Duppers May 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 2022 #18
Back at ya, my critter-loving friend. Duppers May 2022 #19
Democrats have always stressed they're the "Big Tent" party Raine May 2022 #12
And that has gotten us right here Voltaire2 May 2022 #26
We are here because of people that don't think abortion rights are important like Ralph Nader JI7 May 2022 #35
Well that is one analysis. Voltaire2 May 2022 #64
They are opposed to abortion rights and focus their attacks in Democrats JI7 May 2022 #66
The handle on that hammer is getting awfully worn Sympthsical May 2022 #65
Yes I agree with you. mountain grammy May 2022 #13
I agree it is burned earth now. gibraltar72 May 2022 #14
more winning Slammer May 2022 #15
"There's not enough anti-abortion Democrats on Capitol Hill to fill a phone booth" BumRushDaShow May 2022 #27
I thought the right for a woman privacy was in Emile May 2022 #17
I'm beyond pissed at Clyburn AntivaxHunters May 2022 #28
Haven't we learned by now that compromising gets us kicked in the teeth? Novara May 2022 #29
I don't see a problem. tavernier May 2022 #33
We can't shun them because there aren't enough pro choice people in this country JI7 May 2022 #34
I'm willing to accommodate the oppression of women to win elections. Duncan Grant May 2022 #37
Bravo inthewind21 May 2022 #60
That's right, Democrats. Pull your punches, one more time. Paladin May 2022 #38
It has , MAnchin is anti choice but we need his seat to hold the Senate which helps us confirm JI7 May 2022 #42
Sucking up to Manchin just delays the inevitable for a short while. Paladin May 2022 #44
No we aren't JI7 May 2022 #49
I can't help inthewind21 May 2022 #61
We do control the Senate . That's how we got the voter on Supreme Court Justice JI7 May 2022 #67
Well, shit. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #68
Who said everything was great ? The part about getting this justice JI7 May 2022 #69
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #72
Our big tent includes pro choice, not anti abortion. BoomaofBandM May 2022 #41
Fine Mz Pip May 2022 #45
+1 Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #48
I had a DFL congressman who was anti-abortion. He's one of the smiling old white men WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #46
No Mad_Machine76 May 2022 #47
He's wrong. Deadly wrong. There is no place in the party for ANYONE who is anti choice. Autumn May 2022 #54
Cuellar was hand picked by Republican businessmen in Texas. hamsterjill May 2022 #56
His name is Rep. Clyburn. aocommunalpunch May 2022 #57
just as we won't condone racists WhiteTara May 2022 #62
Ugh. His district is where Lizelle Herrera was charged with murder. gldstwmn May 2022 #63
Primary these folks on this issue and see how it goes. That's how it works in our country. jalan48 May 2022 #71
I'm not going to say what I think AntivaxHunters May 2022 #75
I understand what Rep. Clyburn is saying. But, as a woman who supports, niyad May 2022 #78
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