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In reply to the discussion: This may upset some DUers but after Iraq it's hard to watch the same hacks talking [View all]dwayneb
(819 posts)232. The sanctions won't do anything
Putin knows all about the effect of the sanctions and he could not care less. It's foolish for NATO to assume that these sanctions will harm him in any significant way or dissuade him.
Putin wants to acquire all of the Eastern European countries that are not in NATO and he wants to do it NOW. He clearly understands that once they join NATO he will have lost the opportunity. Time is of the essence.
So don't look for the Ukraine acquisition to be the last. Same playbook as the USSR in the cold war, and of Hitler in WWII.
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This may upset some DUers but after Iraq it's hard to watch the same hacks talking [View all]
malaise
Feb 2022
OP
Unless you imagine President is planning to invade Russia, the comparison is pointless...
brooklynite
Feb 2022
#33
Maybe but keep in mind Biden is only stating his opinion he is not asking for
cstanleytech
Feb 2022
#94
I seem to remember that thee then Soviet Union switched sides and joined the allies in WW2
malaise
Feb 2022
#245
Did we leave Iraq voluntarily? Did we (while there try to take over other areas of the Middle East?)
hlthe2b
Feb 2022
#12
It is all Biden's fault because Putin is threatening to invade Ukraine, at least that is the logic
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#128
We support the Nato Treaty which agrees to not take other countries by force
whathehell
Feb 2022
#28
US MINIMUM acts as if maintaining plurality is important, authoritative govs are NEVER good for the
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#179
He wants the countries under his authoritarian control --not the USSR form of governance.
hlthe2b
Feb 2022
#44
Accusing DUers of spreading propaganda is not going to let you stay here long--especially
hlthe2b
Feb 2022
#71
🤔 Except incendiary bombs don't (a far as I know) don't alter genetic material of future...
electric_blue68
Feb 2022
#204
After reading Hiroshima, and NYC in ?'70 being the first city in the USA to see Japan's...
electric_blue68
Feb 2022
#203
We are NOT doing the gulf of tonkin in this situation, it is Russia that is doing that
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#13
Biden is NOT lying. There are massive Russian troops on the Ukraine border, and they are not there
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#25
It is ironic that they seem to be mad at Biden because Russia is threatening to invade Ukraine
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#119
Absolutely, and using the logic because the US has engaged in misdeeds in the past
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#141
Western Alliance? The one that includes less hawkish France and Germany? How about Orban's Hungary?
DickKessler
Feb 2022
#114
"align with Russian interests", sounds like a TailGunner Joe talking point.
DickKessler
Feb 2022
#117
'Whataboutism' at its worst. Disgusting that a well known Russian propaganda technique is so
emulatorloo
Feb 2022
#135
And the fact that an opinion is in the majority makes it neither correct nor important.
TheRickles
Feb 2022
#154
Nevervmind then. Let the old KGB authoritarian murderer of his own people go for it!
Budi
Feb 2022
#58
Looking at the Ukraine situation through a relative prism, as opposed to the absolutel prism...
BobTheSubgenius
Feb 2022
#60
The US has an over 100 year history of intervention either military or CIA, we have done
yaesu
Feb 2022
#68
I never let ANYONE off the hook for voting for what was obviously a war based on LIES
Skittles
Feb 2022
#80
I'm not agreeing or condoning or accusing anyone, just saying I'm 100% fed up with wars with a
RKP5637
Feb 2022
#84
In all the debates here, that is the best question yet, that no one addresses.
Xolodno
Feb 2022
#101
Fuck their state stoked and useless paranoia, without the US they WOULD be attacked. They
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#182
You will get no argument from me over what happened in Iraq and the condemnation that is
cstanleytech
Feb 2022
#93
John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and his brother Allen Dulles
panader0
Feb 2022
#225
Most of the mainstream media supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. They still have jobs.
DickKessler
Feb 2022
#115
This doesn't answer the question asked multiple times in this thread? Do you believe NATO is ...
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#184
To make sure I understand, is it your position that the US should leave Ukraine to its own devices?
TomSlick
Feb 2022
#122
+++. It is all Biden's fault because Russia is threatening to invade Ukraine, and while we are at it
JohnSJ
Feb 2022
#136
why did you join DU in 2004? looking for like minded folks who detested bush* and the Iraq invasion?
Shellback Squid
Feb 2022
#159
For that matter, why should we be upset about Putin interfering in our elections?
Crunchy Frog
Feb 2022
#165
President Biden apparently must forever wear the millstone around his neck for the sins of Bush.
Tommy Carcetti
Feb 2022
#167
lol, this puts this thread in words. America can be imperfect and correct and I don't see that being
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#185
malaise, America can be imperfect and correct at the same time. Also, our fucked up can be better
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#177
What right did England and France have to object to Germany's invasion of Poland?
dawg
Feb 2022
#195
This reminds me of how I had to continually assure the members of an international online group
betsuni
Feb 2022
#246
Regardless of US hypocrisy, Russia is still threatening to invade Ukraine and they are wrong
Sapient Donkey
Feb 2022
#255
We invaded on lies and lost moral highground. We let the tyrants of the world know that
sky_masterson
Feb 2022
#257