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In reply to the discussion: This may upset some DUers but after Iraq it's hard to watch the same hacks talking [View all]Xolodno
(6,602 posts)And tried my best to avoid some threads here. I agree, we don't hold the moral high ground.
Furthermore, Putin didn't wake out of bed one day and say "I'm going bust Ukraine's door in today". This has been slowly building since Bush/Cheney, when they;
1. Pretty much telegraphed any ideas of Russia being part of NATO are going into the toilet.
2. They lead a massive expansion of NATO (even countries such as Slovenia which had a population opposed to joining).
3. Squandered all the goodwill we got after 9/11 from Russia (i.e. using their bases, facilitating former republics for us to use there's, etc.).
4. Right wing bureaucrats (stay behinds) conducting their own agenda when a Democrat is in office (i.e. Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nunland" .
5. And of course, Zelensky ain't no angel, his poll numbers are on the floor. And he's jailing political opponents while we turn a blind eye and not just Russia friendly Medvedchuk, but also going after Poroshenko who was elected after the Maidan.
I still think its entirely possible Putin will pull back "some" of the forces and could keep a permanent presence on the forward bases, thus, a permanent possibility he could invade. And this could all just be a massive exercise, but invades during the Summer. But I've been wrong before, and he does intend to "finish business".
Not saying its right if he invades, but, to say this is a micro event is laughable, its macro. The seeds for this were sown well before Biden and he knows it. But his options are shit 1 and shit 2.
But like you said, its just the same hacks spinning this.