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marmar

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Sat Feb 12, 2022, 07:51 PM Feb 2022

The edge of war: what, exactly, does Putin want in Ukraine? [View all]


(Guardian UK) Why is Russia threatening to invade Ukraine?
Russian spokespeople daily deny any intention to invade. So, too, did Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, when he met the French leader, Emmanuel Macron, last week, and when he spoke to US president Joe Biden on the phone. There are two problems with this. First, given Putin’s Johnsonian relationship with truth, few western governments believe the denials. Second, Putin has not explained why, if his intentions are peaceful, more than half of Russia’s armed forces, including 130,000 troops, are massed on Ukraine’s borders. It could all be a bluff. But who would bet the house on that?

So what drives Putin?
There are numerous theories. Putin is said to want to rebuild a Russian sphere of influence in eastern Europe, principally embracing former Soviet republics such as now independent Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Georgia and Ukraine. He has frequently bemoaned their “loss” after the Soviet Union collapsed. Putin may also hope to demonstrate to the west (and Russians) that the country is still a superpower, even though by most measures (nuclear weapon stockpiles and geography apart) it is a failing medium-sized power.

Why Ukraine?
Putin fears strategically important Ukraine, commanding Russia’s south-western flank, is assimilating into the west. He objects to its growing closeness to Nato. He also opposes Kyiv’s developing links with the EU. Worse still, from his point of view, Ukraine is a democracy, with free speech and free media, which freely elects its leaders. In practice, Russians enjoy no such freedoms – if they followed Ukraine’s example, Putin would not last long. More broadly, Putin is a nostalgic revisionist who regards Ukraine as an integral part of historical Russia and its loss as a symbol of Russia’s cold war defeat.

Why now?
Putin may sense western weakness. Nato was humiliated last year in Afghanistan and Joe Biden, who campaigned to end wars, not engage in new ones, has refocused American foreign policy and military resources on China, not Europe. It’s also suggested Putin needs a big victory to shore up his domestic support, vindicate his anti-western policies, excuse rampant regime corruption and kleptomania, and justify the hardships Russians endure as a result of western sanctions imposed after his first attack on Ukraine, in 2014. That was when he annexed Crimea and took de facto control of the eastern Donbas region. ...........(more)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/russia-ukraine-what-does-putin-want




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It can be summed up in 3 words sarisataka Feb 2022 #1
He wants to prove that NATO does not exist highnooner Feb 2022 #2
He may be in for a serious education Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #10
People like Putin and Trump do shit just because they can. pwb Feb 2022 #3
No. Putin is ruthless and murderous. tRump is too stupid to know or care when he does illegal stuff. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #4
So they don't do things because they can? pwb Feb 2022 #5
No they don't. They get away with it. That's separate from their motivations. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #6
I don't know why I bother giving my opinion. pwb Feb 2022 #7
I sometimes learn from your posts so I'm glad you give your opinion though I sometimes disagree Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #8
I don't know why you say no to a poster here. pwb Feb 2022 #9
Yes, more same than not, despite great diversity. I say no to ideas, factoids, conclusions Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #11
Then I need to apologize to you for all my posts slightlv Feb 2022 #13
I hadn't noticed any problem. Your good graces sustain you. But yes, we all age. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #16
What Does Putin Want? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #12
BINGO Skittles Feb 2022 #17
+1 dalton99a Feb 2022 #21
Their resources and to make NATO look bad and broken. nt Samrob Feb 2022 #14
Its simple brettdale Feb 2022 #15
Putin is waging war on the West. radius777 Feb 2022 #18
The answer is "revanchism" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #19
Exactly right. Voltaire2 Feb 2022 #23
Putin does not want a huge NATO country right on his border Azathoth Feb 2022 #20
We screwed up long ago in 1990 and 1991 during the negotiations for Germany unifications. marie999 Feb 2022 #22
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