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lapucelle

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61. It's reasonable that demonstrators confronted by "counterprotestors" using or threatening to use
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 07:04 AM
Jan 2022

explosives, guns, or vehicles as weapons perceive a threat. Nowhere in the report does it say that counter-protesting is a threat.

As for the contention that the conclusions reached are a function of the

"Liberal/Centrist security-state mindset: "It is all a threat'",


the report makes clear that its parameters are limited to "terrorism":

This report focuses on terrorism—not other issues, such as hate crimes, protests, riots, or broader civil unrest. Terrorism is the the deliberate use—or threat—of violence by non-state actors in order to achieve political goals and create a broad psychological impact.




▪ Explosives and Incendiaries: bombs, Molotov cocktails, arson, and other weapons
that create a blast or fire;

▪ Firearms: automatic, semi-automatic, and non-automatic rifles; shotguns; handguns;
unknown and other gun types; and non-lethal guns, including airsoft rifles12;

▪ Melee: close contact weapons that do not involve projectiles, typically involving
stabbing or bludgeoning, for example, knives, machetes, axes, and hammers;

▪ Vehicle: cars, trucks, vans, sports utility vehicles, and other automobiles, typically
used in ramming attacks; and

▪ Other: weapons that do not fall into any other category, such as a bow and arrow.

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I don't think that Democrats (be they liberal or centrist) broadly ascribes to the proposition that "it's different when Group X threatens to use or uses bombs, guns, axes, hammers, and vehicles as ramming devices as a means of "counter-protesting". Terrorists are terrorists.




See... PoliticAverse Jan 2022 #1
That is one of the posts to which I am referring. PTWB Jan 2022 #3
Couldn't he mean cilla4progress Jan 2022 #2
Yes. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #5
If he had simply said "ideologies" then yes. PTWB Jan 2022 #9
If he said that then my prediction has come true already. He aint gonna do jack shit Eliot Rosewater Jan 2022 #4
Stop. Just stop. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #7
Contextually Garland is technically correct uponit7771 Jan 2022 #8
I suspect you knew it way before Garland spoke. Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #25
He's technically correct uponit7771 Jan 2022 #6
No, he's completely incorrect. PTWB Jan 2022 #10
Contextually Garland is technically correct, there's 330 million people in this country and to claim uponit7771 Jan 2022 #11
You're missing half of his quote. PTWB Jan 2022 #12
He called out case involving the judge as example in his book. I can see that being TECHNICALLY... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #14
Crazy people have attacked Judges for as long as there have been Judges. PTWB Jan 2022 #16
Ah, well ... that wasn't a good example to your point BUT he didn't narrow the bad actions of uponit7771 Jan 2022 #19
Hannah Arendt would be proud wellst0nev0ter Jan 2022 #34
Garland wasn't talking about Democrats. He was talking about anarchists. lapucelle Jan 2022 #55
Since I live in Seattle and work in Portland maxsolomon Jan 2022 #56
The data set, methodology, and an explanation of the terminology lapucelle Jan 2022 #57
OK, I read it. It defines far-left violence very broadly. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #58
The study is about "terrorizing" rather than "confronting". lapucelle Jan 2022 #59
Right. They're saying Antifa counter-protesting at a Proud Boy rally is Terror. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #60
It's reasonable that demonstrators confronted by "counterprotestors" using or threatening to use lapucelle Jan 2022 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Jan 2022 #63
A google search of both the full name and the initials of CSIS do not show the 2016 piece lapucelle Jan 2022 #65
Why did Zack Exely make a special trip to Russia just before merging... Budi Jan 2022 #22
+a million Just_Vote_Dem Jan 2022 #38
I like to dig into this & put it out for discussion but honestly, that would.... Budi Jan 2022 #40
I understand Just_Vote_Dem Jan 2022 #41
I may think about this a bit & pm you Budi Jan 2022 #43
I try. You're welcome! n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jan 2022 #44
A Bernie Sanders supporter literally committed an act of terrorism against congress in 2017 mathematic Jan 2022 #64
Geez. Instead of worrying about parsing every word or inuedndo, can people just wait and see what JohnSJ Jan 2022 #13
Someone posted the text :Here sheshe2 Jan 2022 #26
......... JohnSJ Jan 2022 #50
Hey. sheshe2 Jan 2022 #51
Just wanted to say hi to you JohnSJ Jan 2022 #52
Statute of limitations passed for the Stormy Daniels payoff wellst0nev0ter Jan 2022 #36
I don't agree. We have to keep the pressure campaign on. ecstatic Jan 2022 #48
... cilla4progress Jan 2022 #15
This is Perfect.. we see it with Cha Jan 2022 #54
So we're talking about this and not the fact that DOJ has done nothing against the leaders of the dem4decades Jan 2022 #17
That's what Matt Miller just said BigmanPigman Jan 2022 #24
This was my impression. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #45
Full context: EarlG Jan 2022 #18
Violence is a problem and Merrick is right to call it out. PTWB Jan 2022 #20
No, he did not. sheshe2 Jan 2022 #27
You can read the quote I'm referring to in the OP. PTWB Jan 2022 #28
Out of context. sheshe2 Jan 2022 #30
I watched the speech live. PTWB Jan 2022 #31
I watched it live as well. sheshe2 Jan 2022 #42
In this section of the speech EarlG Jan 2022 #29
That may be how he intended it. PTWB Jan 2022 #33
Fair enough EarlG Jan 2022 #39
People can Honestly have more than one take. MarcA Jan 2022 #46
Of course you can't think of a single case. Because you've narrowed the entire investigation down... Budi Jan 2022 #32
I haven't narrowed his investigation down to one statement. PTWB Jan 2022 #35
If you see right wing extremists as being identical in partisanship or ideology, you may have a case Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #21
If he had merely said ideology, he would skate. PTWB Jan 2022 #23
Your OP mentions "right wing extremism", no mention of partisanship. Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #37
I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian-- Hekate Jan 2022 #47
I didn't hear it that way when I listened to the entire speech. GoodRaisin Jan 2022 #49
I did not hear it Meowmee Jan 2022 #53
Nor did he. MineralMan Jan 2022 #62
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