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Celerity

(43,662 posts)
30. sigh, this makes me so sad (I am too tired to even get mad over it, it is just wearying)
Sun Nov 28, 2021, 03:23 AM
Nov 2021
I also do accept the idea of white privilege


White privilege is largely not because of the color of their skin


Simply not true, as I can attest too for most of my life, in the UK, in the US, and in Sweden

Some tiny, everyday examples:

I am a multiracial, multi-ethnic cis female, and my wife is a blonde haired, blue-eyed Swede, and we both were raised in London.

We can go into (and have done so many many times) a posh store (think Harrods or Harvey Nichols in London posh, or Bergdorf Goodman in NYC or Galeries LaFayette in Paris, or Fred Segal in LA, or La Rinascente in Milan, or NK here in Stockholm) and I can be all kitted out in very high end designer clothes, bag, accessories, and wifey ca be wearing trainers and sweats ro jeans and a tee, perhaps straight from the gym. Guess who, when we separate, has been followed by security FAR more many times? Lower end stores than those, like Nordstrom or Bloomingdales in the US are even worse.

Guess who (especially in the US) is going to draw the attention of the coppers when it's one of us driving our Cayenne alone (or dog forbid, me with a friend or friends who are also non-white)?

Pro tip, it isn't the blonde Swede girl I am married to.

She has never had, and likely never will, white women (especially older ones in the US) reflexively clutch their bags when she walks onto a lift with them. I SO wish I could say the same thing.

And as bad as it can get for me, male persons of colour often have it much worse.


Now, this statement (which includes the 2nd part above) is just so problematic:

White privilege is largely not because of the color of their skin, but an opportunity advantage due to predominantly growing up in two parent households in good neighborhoods and good schools.


That literally implies two things that show systemic racist thinking, and a third that is entirely contradictory.

1. It implies that most, if not all whites have 2 parent households and live in 'good' neighbourhoods with 'good' schools

2. It implies that people of colour do not have that, as you yourself listed those things as foundational to white privilege

3. It is completely self-contradictory as you said:

I also do accept the idea of white privilege


but then go on to define it anyway.




White privilege doesn't mean your life cannot be hard, but it does mean that the colour of your skin is not one of things making it harder.








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Yes it's really a complex question.. mvd Nov 2021 #2
I'm a Democrat. n/t TygrBright Nov 2021 #3
Exactly.... LakeArenal Nov 2021 #4
Good answer mvd Nov 2021 #5
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Why do you say you aren't "woke"? Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #17
its a loaded term, allow me to explain a bit better Amishman Nov 2021 #18
Ok, thanks for the explanation. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #25
sigh, this makes me so sad (I am too tired to even get mad over it, it is just wearying) Celerity Nov 2021 #30
I thought it also meant that you are ok with banning long time things now found offensive by some Polybius Nov 2021 #24
I think those examples Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #26
You sound very pragmatic on labor/immigration. Boomerproud Nov 2021 #22
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Under my thinking.. mvd Nov 2021 #20
Absolutely not. Celerity Nov 2021 #34
I wasn't really contradicting most of that mvd Nov 2021 #35
Not many, only a handful self-label as such. AOC and Bernie are the two most well known. Celerity Nov 2021 #36
Well I just can't agree about the self inflicted wound mvd Nov 2021 #38
It is hubristic to think you can simply 're-brand' a toxic (toxic in a reactionary nation-state like Celerity Nov 2021 #39
Because Democratic Socialism is not socialism mvd Nov 2021 #40
that is simply false, democratic socialism is a form of socialism Celerity Nov 2021 #43
It's not false mvd Nov 2021 #44
No, I can assure you it is not widely held, and that is again, typical American hubristic thinking. Celerity Nov 2021 #45
I chose progressive left. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #15
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Monarchist. tavernier Nov 2021 #23
Radical Evolutionary Biologist and some kind of humanst. hunter Nov 2021 #27
What's in a name? 🙃 moondust Nov 2021 #28
Whereas... DFW Nov 2021 #31
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A pragmatic liberal. nt jml510 Nov 2021 #47
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