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In reply to the discussion: A neighbor just put up a large black flag on his porch. [View all]tenderfoot
(8,598 posts)15. Black flag: Understanding the Trumpists' latest threatening symbol
In one troubling new development, Trump supporters have begun flying all-black American flags, in an implicit threat to harm or kill their opponents meaning nonwhite people, "socialist liberals," Muslims, vaccinated people and others deemed to be "enemies" of "real America." As media critic Eric Boehlert recently noted, the liberal opinion site Living Blue in Texas is sounding the alarm about the specific meaning of the black flag and the Republican-fascists support for terrorism and other political violence. That post, "Are Your Republican Neighbors Planning on Killing You?", merits lengthy quotation:
It didn't take long to find hundreds of videos where these Trumpers and so-called patriots were hanging black American flags. ...
Black American flags are the flags that mean "no quarter shall be given." They are the opposite of the white flag of surrender.
According to the people on TikTok and the Sun (British tabloid), the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates.
It means that they will not surrender, will not take prisoners, and are willing to die for their cause. It means they will execute their enemies.
Who are their enemies? Pretty much any non-Conservative. You know, Democrats, Liberals, LGBTQ, BIPOC, and the vaccinated. ...
So, we're the enemy, and they're openly professing to want to execute us. So, why are they doing this
Covid vaccinations, mostly. They believe that Joe Biden has declared a civil war on them by mandating that employers with over 100 employees and the military have vaccinations.
Yes, they say civil war, and they say it's already started. But, unfortunately, many of them also live in states where masks and vaccines are required by state governments, healthcare, and law enforcement.
An alarming number of military members have been making Tik Toks talking about how they are being discharged because they refuse the vaccine. It's alarming because there is probably an equal number of guys on there talking about the civil war plans and actively using Tik Tok to recruit these military and ex-military members.
The biggest message they have been sending out is, "it's time" or "the time is now." ...
Although showing guns on Tik Tok is supposed to be against community guidelines, they show lots of videos of their guns, shooting them, wearing them, or sitting on their bed.
They primarily use Tik Tok as a recruiting tool and let others know their willingness to commit violence. Then they tell people to message them or where to find them on Telegram.
Black American flags are the flags that mean "no quarter shall be given." They are the opposite of the white flag of surrender.
According to the people on TikTok and the Sun (British tabloid), the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates.
It means that they will not surrender, will not take prisoners, and are willing to die for their cause. It means they will execute their enemies.
Who are their enemies? Pretty much any non-Conservative. You know, Democrats, Liberals, LGBTQ, BIPOC, and the vaccinated. ...
So, we're the enemy, and they're openly professing to want to execute us. So, why are they doing this
Covid vaccinations, mostly. They believe that Joe Biden has declared a civil war on them by mandating that employers with over 100 employees and the military have vaccinations.
Yes, they say civil war, and they say it's already started. But, unfortunately, many of them also live in states where masks and vaccines are required by state governments, healthcare, and law enforcement.
An alarming number of military members have been making Tik Toks talking about how they are being discharged because they refuse the vaccine. It's alarming because there is probably an equal number of guys on there talking about the civil war plans and actively using Tik Tok to recruit these military and ex-military members.
The biggest message they have been sending out is, "it's time" or "the time is now." ...
Although showing guns on Tik Tok is supposed to be against community guidelines, they show lots of videos of their guns, shooting them, wearing them, or sitting on their bed.
They primarily use Tik Tok as a recruiting tool and let others know their willingness to commit violence. Then they tell people to message them or where to find them on Telegram.
However you interpret these videos posted by Trump followers and other neofascists which could be mainly performative [link:it is clearly true that the American right is increasingly willing to accept or condone violence as a means of expanding and protecting their social and political power|it is clearly true that the American right is increasingly willing to accept or condone violence as a means of expanding and protecting their social and political power.] (Salon did not find licensed news photographs of these flags, and has made the editorial decision not to reproduce the images mentioned above, which are easy to find on social media.)
https://www.salon.com/2021/10/12/black-flag-understanding-the-trumpists-latest-threatening-symbol/
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Good to know who to watch out for. If anything happens to the UCC watch and see if they
flying_wahini
Nov 2021
#1
Tell your local UUC church to install video cameras that cover the front and also the parking lot
vlyons
Nov 2021
#81
Perhaps the neighbor is warning others that there are roaches and other vermin in the building.
TheBlackAdder
Nov 2021
#150
Nope. I live in a very red county, with land in an even redder county. Have yet to see one.
BlackSkimmer
Nov 2021
#17
Lol, still waiting for someone to post a pic of one of these in an actual neighborhood.
BlackSkimmer
Nov 2021
#39
Go online. You can get hats, t-shirts etc . Lots of information about black flags. nt
Biophilic
Nov 2021
#43
I need to look around to see if I can find the right-wingers talking about this
Sapient Donkey
Nov 2021
#84
That poster was fully informed about this a day or so ago & still chooses to mock
Hekate
Nov 2021
#83
I live in a blue state and a purple county, and I've seen them. Here's some info:
chia
Nov 2021
#121
Pretty sure I got the link for that from DU a while back. I've argued online for years with people
chia
Nov 2021
#127
Good. Googling black American flag would get you more hits. I've seen them myself, on big pickups
chia
Nov 2021
#165
Hey thanks, I learned a new word: vexillologist. :) Frankly, I think those likely to fly a black
chia
Nov 2021
#173
Good point, it's not like their subculture puts a high value on objective truth.
NullTuples
Nov 2021
#174
I've never seen one (Denver area). Not expressing skepticism, mind you.
Dial H For Hero
Nov 2021
#104
I saw that stupid blue line flag on a t-shirt worn by a cashier at the gas station today.
progressoid
Nov 2021
#128
Kind of like the laughable social media sources for the 1/6 insurrection. Did you disbelieve those?
Hekate
Nov 2021
#108
It would be lovely if they'd just hurry up and die. Sorry if I've just offended anyone.
diane in sf
Nov 2021
#99
Check out the photo on Amazon. It is the Stars & Stripes made with all-black fabric & thread
Hekate
Nov 2021
#107
I thought is was a warning: "Danger -- My place has cockroaches! Exterminator is
NCjack
Nov 2021
#37
Just like after the KR verdict, the white supremacy groups were saying things like
Maggiemayhem
Nov 2021
#119
And those people in law enforcement who ignored the threats are guilty of incompetence, at best.
yardwork
Nov 2021
#180
It means "no quarter given," as on a battlefield where you intend to slaughter even those who ....
Hekate
Nov 2021
#82
The first meaning I saw was that it meant support the police, with the blue line.
keithbvadu2
Nov 2021
#160
It's cute how these fascists think they can take us without a fight. I know a lot of liberals
ZonkerHarris
Nov 2021
#16
From now on they will *always* predict landslides before to help bolster cries of "fraud" after. It
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#33
Is it an actual black piece of fabric or an American flag with a black stripe across it?
vanlassie
Nov 2021
#26
The coup continues. In plain sight and growing. Justice please. Bannon, Meadows, all others
Evolve Dammit
Nov 2021
#28
Be prepared. The day their civil war starts, sneak in and swap it for a white flag
Bernardo de La Paz
Nov 2021
#30
If we give them hospital beds and anti-viral meds for the "hoax" then we're fools
housecat
Nov 2021
#48
my wife and I just took a walk down the soon-to-be Ecusta trail from Turley Falls to All-Star
NewHendoLib
Nov 2021
#52
I think it's scary that I have to wonder who is going to attack people that they consider liberal
Maggiemayhem
Nov 2021
#94
Just found this - the phenomenon is certainly happening in the area I (and blm) live in
NewHendoLib
Nov 2021
#64
I just googled "Where can I buy a black American flag?" Frickin' Walmart sells them!
LaMouffette
Nov 2021
#75
Well, there's a US Flag Code that prohibits letting the flag touch the ground, so I thought
LaMouffette
Nov 2021
#198
I mean...TFG (That F*cking Guy) is selling 'em through his online store...
LowerManhattanite
Nov 2021
#112
if we feed the hungery , take care of the sick and eldery , give homeless ppl showers ,
AllaN01Bear
Nov 2021
#135
I'm east of you in NC, and the same thing is happening here. North Carolina's rednecks are
BComplex
Nov 2021
#182