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Midnight Writer

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12. Is this scenario unlikely in the future?

Reply to rgbecker (Original post)

Tue Nov 16, 2021, 01:48 PM

Nov 2021

A man approaches a family while his buddy videotapes him.

The man disparages the family in the strongest terms, insulting Dad, Mom, and even the kids. He remains calm while doing this.

Dad, angry and offended, steps forward towards the man.

The man pulls his gun and shoots Dad dead.

It is all on video, though what the people were saying is unable to be heard. You can only see the confrontation.

Would this be a righteous kill, under the law? Would Dad be the aggressor? Would the race of the family be a factor?

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RE: Rittenhouse, Self Defense, and Provocation. [View all] rgbecker Nov 2021 OP

Some people are arguing "reasonable means to escape death" is firing at unarmed people chasing him uponit7771 Nov 2021 #1

Here's the issue, though. Under WI law, it is still self-defense. Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #6

Rosenbaum grabbed the gun ***AFTER*** KR turned around with it, that's not self defense. Rosenbauim uponit7771 Nov 2021 #7

He tripped nt Chille Nov 2021 #9

I was incorrect, Rittenhouse stumbled and fell prior to the second/third shootings. Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #10

That's why you have to look at it on a case by case basis Hav Nov 2021 #2

I think the parallel fails where there are different expectations for police behavior Amishman Nov 2021 #3

No - not for a uniformed police officer in a marked car FBaggins Nov 2021 #4

No DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #5

I believe there was one in Arizona a few years ago. Jedi Guy Nov 2021 #11

I'm not sure. But the US Supreme Court held long ago that the police Tomconroy Nov 2021 #8

Is this scenario unlikely in the future? Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #12

Sounds like an unreasonable use of deadly force. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #13

Probably not enough FBaggins Nov 2021 #14

Did Rittenhouse say he warned Rosenbaum he would shoot if Rosenbaum kept coming? rgbecker Nov 2021 #15

Regardless of how any law is written.. BGBD Nov 2021 #16