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Bolo Boffin

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94. Here's another good point - the actual summary of referral from the Scottish review board
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jan 2012

I looked up the referral we're all yammering about here.

http://www.sccrc.org.uk/ViewFile.aspx?id=293

That's a summary.

The six grounds for referral are listed in there. Guess what?

The Bollier allegations are not among them. Neither is the timer possible being fake. Neither is the police sergeant who claimed the timer was planted.

Here are the sole grounds for referral:

A number of the submissions made on behalf of the applicant challenged the reasonableness of the trial court’s verdict, based on the legal test contained in section 106(3)(b) of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. The Commission rejected the vast majority of those submissions. However, in examining one of the grounds, the Commission formed the view that there is no reasonable basis in the trial court’s judgment for its conclusion that the purchase of the items from Mary’s House, took place on 7 December 1988. Although it was proved that the applicant was in Malta on several occasions in December 1988, in terms of the evidence 7 December was the only date on which he would have had the opportunity to purchase the items. The finding as to the date of purchase was therefore important to the trial court’s conclusion that the applicant was the purchaser. Likewise, the trial court’s conclusion that the applicant was the purchaser was important to the verdict against him. Because of these factors the Commission has reached the view that the requirements of the legal test may be satisfied in the applicant’s case.

New evidence not heard at the trial concerned the date on which the Christmas lights were illuminated in the area of Sliema in which Mary’s House is situated. In the Commission’s view, taken together with Mr Gauci’s evidence at trial and the contents of his police statements, this additional evidence indicates that the purchase of the items took place prior to 6 December 1988. In other words, it indicates that the purchase took place at a time when there was no evidence at trial that the applicant was in Malta.

Additional evidence, not made available to the defence, which indicates that four days prior to the identification parade at which Mr Gauci picked out the applicant, he saw a photograph of the applicant in a magazine article linking him to the bombing. In the Commission’s view evidence of Mr Gauci’s exposure to this photograph in such close proximity to the parade undermines the reliability of his identification of the applicant at that time and at the trial itself.

Other evidence, not made available to the defence, which the Commission believes may further undermine Mr Gauci’s identification
of the applicant as the purchaser and the trial court’s finding as to the date of purchase.


So most of the things you've been trumpeting long and loud to weave your conspiracy theory? Bullshit. In fact, a couple of these things are mentioned in the report, but are expressly rejected. For example, the retired police sergeant turned out to have more contradictions in his story than claims videos of the planes hitting the Twin Towers were faked. Also, claims the timer part was faked or planted? Also completely dismissed by the Scottish review board. As the report says:

In particular the Commission has found no basis for concluding that evidence in the case was fabricated by the police, the Crown, forensic scientists or any other representatives of official bodies or government agencies.


The referral is not based on "maybe Libya did not do this." It's based largely on "was it proved that Megrahi had the ability to purchase the items purchased in Malta." Since that was a key part of his conviction, the prosecution needed to clear these problems up or offer evidence he was in Malta on December 6.

The other two had to do with Gauci's lineup ID being tainted and "other evidence" undermining Gauci, which may well be the CIA offer.

So the possibility of fitting Meghari into a role he may not have had in the Libyan plot to bomb Pan Am 103 is what the Scottish review board referred to appeal.

I hope we can dispense with silly conspiracy theorizing about faked evidence framing Libya for the Pan Am 103 bombing.
why do you get offended by such things ? it's about winning the election JI7 Jan 2012 #1
"It's about winning the election" Bonobo Jan 2012 #2
of course there is a lot we can lose like Roe v Wade,all the accomplishments JI7 Jan 2012 #4
It has been said in many ways by many people... Bonobo Jan 2012 #9
Not at this time. Please try back in 2016. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #6
we are murderers and assassins and bullies and thieves SixthSense Jan 2012 #3
Still upset we couldn't bring a violent criminal to trial? nt Confusious Jan 2012 #5
Supposedly he was the leader of a terrorist network. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #59
What makes you think he could Confusious Jan 2012 #109
Yes. It's the reason the United States of America was created. rug Jan 2012 #7
I care about winning, not what makes me feel good inside bluestateguy Jan 2012 #8
The 2 principal war criminals won't have to come to trial and I'm very happy they are out of the way phleshdef Jan 2012 #10
Good analogy. (nt) pinto Jan 2012 #15
Here's a good article... Drunken Irishman Jan 2012 #19
Er. I was quoting Harry Truman on the deaths of Hitler and Mussolini. phleshdef Jan 2012 #20
Yes, I know... Drunken Irishman Jan 2012 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author JackRiddler Jan 2012 #28
Why don't you read my entire post next time instead of just the title? phleshdef Jan 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author JackRiddler Jan 2012 #33
I said Truman's statement was an example of a Democrat using the same kind of rhetoric. phleshdef Jan 2012 #35
As you prefer. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #40
Civilized societies do trials, summary executions is what savages do. Zalatix Jan 2012 #62
I thought you were talking about Bush and Cheney at first. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #97
I'm sorry, we have not "become them." downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #11
Did Libya ever invade a nation on the other side of the world... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #30
No, but... Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #42
The case against Libya for the Lockerbie bombing is dubious. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #48
Poor old Gaddafi. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #50
Who cares what the truth is, right? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #51
The truth is, Libya bombed Pan Am 103 the hell out of the sky. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #52
The Scottish review board does not share your certainty. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #56
The circuit board is impeached by one person. Other evidence shows that Libya had possession Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #60
False. The circuit board is impeached by at least two persons. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #69
Edwin Bollier? The guy who also claimed Gaddafi offered him $200M to get Megrahi free? Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #72
My "narrative" is not "USA-bad-Libya-good." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #75
The fuck it ain't. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #76
Scotland is in the UK. Scotland is why it's called the UK. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #78
So your rationale for invading Libya is PanAm/Lockerbie? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #81
Is that what I said? I don't think I said that. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #86
Watch this trick: DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #92
No worries. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #102
That's all you got out of that excellent summary of sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #99
#94. New facts have come to light. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #103
poor old bolo. proven wrong and resorting to strawmen.. frylock Jan 2012 #106
Really? I've been proven wrong? I'm not noticing a lot of responses to my #94. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #107
JackRiddler I used to think Megrahi did bomb the plane, but your logic and facts are solid. Zalatix Jan 2012 #64
American scales of justice whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #93
Poor old Gaddafi. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #98
Bravo and thank you. Needs to be an OP. inna Jan 2012 #49
Thank you inna. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #54
" Libya was framed for the Lockerbie bombing is MSM sourced" Gross overstatement Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #61
See Post #48. Please show the factual errors in that post. Zalatix Jan 2012 #65
One piece of evidence is said to be faked by one person. That's true. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #67
Who in the world releases someone who kills 300 people for "Compassion" reasons? Really? Zalatix Jan 2012 #68
Overwhelming evidence. None of it has any kind of rational dispute. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #71
And despite all this overwhelming evidence, a re-trial was planned for him. How do you explain that? Zalatix Jan 2012 #82
Because the defense wasn't told about the CIA offer to Gauci. A technicality. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #84
Gotcha. So re-trials are routine for cases settled with overwhelming evidence Zalatix Jan 2012 #85
Yes. Take for example the incredibly guilty Ted Stevens... Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #87
Apples & Oranges. Ted Stevens was accused of political corruption, not terrorism/mass murder. Zalatix Jan 2012 #90
Check out #94 for a response. But also Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #96
This is a good point (the release) but even more important... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #80
Don't you know? He had OVERWHELMING evidence against him. Yet a re-trial was approved. Zalatix Jan 2012 #83
You know, when you put it in ALLCAPS like that, it feels more overwhelming! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #88
Here's another good point - the actual summary of referral from the Scottish review board Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #94
I agree on all counts. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #63
US or international politics of it all aside, bin Laden's demise was bluntly necessary, imo. pinto Jan 2012 #12
Bluntly necessary? To shoot rather than capture the best source of intelligence? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #55
I can't help but wonder RZM Jan 2012 #89
This is not a contradiction. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #95
'If they believed what they said' is a really big 'if' RZM Jan 2012 #101
I understand your rationale politically. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #110
But I'm talking about orders here RZM Jan 2012 #111
Nope. He's dead and rotting of his own choice. I have no qualms about it NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #13
If osama truly was the criminal mastermind behind deaths of thousands and thousands of innocents Muskypundit Jan 2012 #14
I'm not happy about that kind of rhetoric. RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #16
That what sells. Want to get elected? That's what you talk about? joshcryer Jan 2012 #17
This rhetoric has been representing Democrats since 9/11 frazzled Jan 2012 #18
Personally, I'm glad that particular shithead is dead. If that makes me a bad man, I'm a bad man. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #21
I didn't mean to confront THAT issue again. I am trying to get people to see... Bonobo Jan 2012 #23
This is the first I've heard of this particular statement by the President Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #25
I understand what you're saying, NashvilleLefty Jan 2012 #22
"if you use the time to seriously consider why you got your cheek slapped" Bonobo Jan 2012 #24
I can live with it. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #26
I considered the capture or killing of Bin Laden as a worthy goal of our government. MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #27
... Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #29
"we can't "become them" etc. greyl Jan 2012 #36
It deserves to be in the Top Ten of rhetoric. nt greyl Jan 2012 #31
Better: ProSense Jan 2012 #34
People like you are LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #37
well that and all those dead women and kids killed by drones & our military nt msongs Jan 2012 #39
Right up there with Americans screaming, USA! USA!, teeth clenched and veins truth2power Jan 2012 #41
9/11 changed everything.. DCBob Jan 2012 #43
killing that bastard wasn't about defining Democrats bigtree Jan 2012 #44
Sure. It's an awesome talking point. jefferson_dem Jan 2012 #45
Don't like that phrase, but winning the war against terrorism sounds pretty good... JCMach1 Jan 2012 #46
It is the truth quaker bill Jan 2012 #47
Removing the advantage (R)s have in security Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #53
Just run Gingrich as a (D)--if we are EXACTLY like them, they won't be able to criticize us! Romulox Jan 2012 #57
They wouldn't be able to criticize ?!?!? Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #100
Not if Gingrich (D) is the nominee, as I suggested earlier. How could they criticize ANYTHING, Romulox Jan 2012 #104
Gingrich as a (D) is right up there with Sanders as an (R) Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #105
Yep! He was directly responsible for ordering the deaths of thousands of people Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #58
He should be dead Welcome_hubby Oct 2012 #112
First off, their is no such thing as a soul, but to go ahead and continue your thought process... snooper2 Jan 2012 #66
Yes. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #70
Yes. It shuts the other side up quite well. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #73
Sure, I have no problem with it. He was a piece of shit who killed a lot of innocent people. WI_DEM Jan 2012 #74
Please to trim your ideals gratuitous Jan 2012 #77
I'm not thrilled by that type of rhetoric. It does appeal to some. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #79
No, Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #91
Fine by me. WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #108
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