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In reply to the discussion: "Osama bin Laden will never walk on this earth again" is the rhetoric we want to represent us? [View all]Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)94. Here's another good point - the actual summary of referral from the Scottish review board
I looked up the referral we're all yammering about here.
http://www.sccrc.org.uk/ViewFile.aspx?id=293
That's a summary.
The six grounds for referral are listed in there. Guess what?
The Bollier allegations are not among them. Neither is the timer possible being fake. Neither is the police sergeant who claimed the timer was planted.
Here are the sole grounds for referral:
A number of the submissions made on behalf of the applicant challenged the reasonableness of the trial courts verdict, based on the legal test contained in section 106(3)(b) of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. The Commission rejected the vast majority of those submissions. However, in examining one of the grounds, the Commission formed the view that there is no reasonable basis in the trial courts judgment for its conclusion that the purchase of the items from Marys House, took place on 7 December 1988. Although it was proved that the applicant was in Malta on several occasions in December 1988, in terms of the evidence 7 December was the only date on which he would have had the opportunity to purchase the items. The finding as to the date of purchase was therefore important to the trial courts conclusion that the applicant was the purchaser. Likewise, the trial courts conclusion that the applicant was the purchaser was important to the verdict against him. Because of these factors the Commission has reached the view that the requirements of the legal test may be satisfied in the applicants case.
New evidence not heard at the trial concerned the date on which the Christmas lights were illuminated in the area of Sliema in which Marys House is situated. In the Commissions view, taken together with Mr Gaucis evidence at trial and the contents of his police statements, this additional evidence indicates that the purchase of the items took place prior to 6 December 1988. In other words, it indicates that the purchase took place at a time when there was no evidence at trial that the applicant was in Malta.
Additional evidence, not made available to the defence, which indicates that four days prior to the identification parade at which Mr Gauci picked out the applicant, he saw a photograph of the applicant in a magazine article linking him to the bombing. In the Commissions view evidence of Mr Gaucis exposure to this photograph in such close proximity to the parade undermines the reliability of his identification of the applicant at that time and at the trial itself.
Other evidence, not made available to the defence, which the Commission believes may further undermine Mr Gaucis identification
of the applicant as the purchaser and the trial courts finding as to the date of purchase.
New evidence not heard at the trial concerned the date on which the Christmas lights were illuminated in the area of Sliema in which Marys House is situated. In the Commissions view, taken together with Mr Gaucis evidence at trial and the contents of his police statements, this additional evidence indicates that the purchase of the items took place prior to 6 December 1988. In other words, it indicates that the purchase took place at a time when there was no evidence at trial that the applicant was in Malta.
Additional evidence, not made available to the defence, which indicates that four days prior to the identification parade at which Mr Gauci picked out the applicant, he saw a photograph of the applicant in a magazine article linking him to the bombing. In the Commissions view evidence of Mr Gaucis exposure to this photograph in such close proximity to the parade undermines the reliability of his identification of the applicant at that time and at the trial itself.
Other evidence, not made available to the defence, which the Commission believes may further undermine Mr Gaucis identification
of the applicant as the purchaser and the trial courts finding as to the date of purchase.
So most of the things you've been trumpeting long and loud to weave your conspiracy theory? Bullshit. In fact, a couple of these things are mentioned in the report, but are expressly rejected. For example, the retired police sergeant turned out to have more contradictions in his story than claims videos of the planes hitting the Twin Towers were faked. Also, claims the timer part was faked or planted? Also completely dismissed by the Scottish review board. As the report says:
In particular the Commission has found no basis for concluding that evidence in the case was fabricated by the police, the Crown, forensic scientists or any other representatives of official bodies or government agencies.
The referral is not based on "maybe Libya did not do this." It's based largely on "was it proved that Megrahi had the ability to purchase the items purchased in Malta." Since that was a key part of his conviction, the prosecution needed to clear these problems up or offer evidence he was in Malta on December 6.
The other two had to do with Gauci's lineup ID being tainted and "other evidence" undermining Gauci, which may well be the CIA offer.
So the possibility of fitting Meghari into a role he may not have had in the Libyan plot to bomb Pan Am 103 is what the Scottish review board referred to appeal.
I hope we can dispense with silly conspiracy theorizing about faked evidence framing Libya for the Pan Am 103 bombing.
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"Osama bin Laden will never walk on this earth again" is the rhetoric we want to represent us? [View all]
Bonobo
Jan 2012
OP
The 2 principal war criminals won't have to come to trial and I'm very happy they are out of the way
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#10
I said Truman's statement was an example of a Democrat using the same kind of rhetoric.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#35
The circuit board is impeached by one person. Other evidence shows that Libya had possession
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#60
Edwin Bollier? The guy who also claimed Gaddafi offered him $200M to get Megrahi free?
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#72
Really? I've been proven wrong? I'm not noticing a lot of responses to my #94.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#107
JackRiddler I used to think Megrahi did bomb the plane, but your logic and facts are solid.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#64
" Libya was framed for the Lockerbie bombing is MSM sourced" Gross overstatement
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#61
Who in the world releases someone who kills 300 people for "Compassion" reasons? Really?
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#68
And despite all this overwhelming evidence, a re-trial was planned for him. How do you explain that?
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#82
Because the defense wasn't told about the CIA offer to Gauci. A technicality.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#84
Apples & Oranges. Ted Stevens was accused of political corruption, not terrorism/mass murder.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#90
Don't you know? He had OVERWHELMING evidence against him. Yet a re-trial was approved.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#83
You know, when you put it in ALLCAPS like that, it feels more overwhelming!
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#88
Here's another good point - the actual summary of referral from the Scottish review board
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#94
US or international politics of it all aside, bin Laden's demise was bluntly necessary, imo.
pinto
Jan 2012
#12
Bluntly necessary? To shoot rather than capture the best source of intelligence?
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#55
If osama truly was the criminal mastermind behind deaths of thousands and thousands of innocents
Muskypundit
Jan 2012
#14
Personally, I'm glad that particular shithead is dead. If that makes me a bad man, I'm a bad man.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#21
This is the first I've heard of this particular statement by the President
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#25
I considered the capture or killing of Bin Laden as a worthy goal of our government.
MilesColtrane
Jan 2012
#27
Right up there with Americans screaming, USA! USA!, teeth clenched and veins
truth2power
Jan 2012
#41
Don't like that phrase, but winning the war against terrorism sounds pretty good...
JCMach1
Jan 2012
#46
Just run Gingrich as a (D)--if we are EXACTLY like them, they won't be able to criticize us!
Romulox
Jan 2012
#57
Not if Gingrich (D) is the nominee, as I suggested earlier. How could they criticize ANYTHING,
Romulox
Jan 2012
#104
Yep! He was directly responsible for ordering the deaths of thousands of people
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2012
#58
First off, their is no such thing as a soul, but to go ahead and continue your thought process...
snooper2
Jan 2012
#66