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Claire Oh Nette

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71. GOP fights the last war over.

Sun Aug 15, 2021, 12:55 PM

Aug 2021

They lost in Vietnam, and those guys never got over it. They were the straight laced, good kids, non-hippies in the 60s. The guys who were drafted vs the guys who used daddy's connections to get out of service. They were the hawks, and they viewed the liberals as the doves--weak. As adults, that same lefty-hippy vs. crew cut all American still raged.

The GOP learned zero from Vietnam, but the military industrial complex made money hand over fist.

The GOP looks down on the individual volunteers who make up our military--TFG even said he viewed them as losers. They cream themselves about the Military, but could give twoshits about any soldier or sailor. Since the volunteers make up such a small percentage of Americans, the media doesn't even bother to show us what's happening because ratings.

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Please Think Back on When and Why We Went to Afghanistan [View all] MineralMan Aug 2021 OP

That.... WomanWhoRoars Aug 2021 #1

K & R Thank You! Budi Aug 2021 #2

Thanks! MineralMan Aug 2021 #3

Spot on Traildogbob Aug 2021 #14

AGREE TOTALLY demigoddess Aug 2021 #83

I also musclecar6 Aug 2021 #122

Perfect! Traildogbob Aug 2021 #123

I agree WomanWhoRoars Aug 2021 #35

All true, but my heart goes out to all of the service men and women who died for a Firestorm49 Aug 2021 #4

Indeed. Again and again and again. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #7

I recall from the First Gulf War treestar Aug 2021 #34

I'm sure they considered it a great breakthrough, NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #50

We had been in harms way since after Vietnam. Caliman73 Aug 2021 #136

GOP fights the last war over. Claire Oh Nette Aug 2021 #71

Yes, of course. How many of those who are MineralMan Aug 2021 #28

The fallacy of sunk costs Random Boomer Aug 2021 #130

"This time it's different!!!" paleotn Aug 2021 #48

Understood but Army staff schooling impressed on me the principle of sunk costs. TomSlick Aug 2021 #80

The nation-building scam made some people immensely wealthy dalton99a Aug 2021 #5

As our new Traildogbob Aug 2021 #20

+1 peppertree Aug 2021 #74

A reprersentative photo of the "nation builders" themselves; the "unitary executive" branch. Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #82

Yes indeed. bdamomma Aug 2021 #126

Sad though I am for the women, I'm glad we are getting out. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #6

Remembering then... sanatanadharma Aug 2021 #8

Bin Laden was in Afghanistan when we invaded Klaralven Aug 2021 #9

I believe it was right for us to go after Bin Laden. IL Dem Aug 2021 #23

Tora Bora who? Ramsey Barner Aug 2021 #10

What I remember are groups of people wearing camo and standing at stop lights waving flags and jalan48 Aug 2021 #11

We should have left long ago - so true mcar Aug 2021 #12

I'm sure part of why we were there so long is because everyone knew it would look like this Sapient Donkey Aug 2021 #124

Thank you Jake2413 Aug 2021 #13

Ditto onetexan Aug 2021 #16

We had a very good reason for going in, Tomconroy Aug 2021 #15

+1, uponit7771 Aug 2021 #110

Yes, we should have gone there. former9thward Aug 2021 #17

It's been 20 years. It was throwing lives and money down a rabbit hole rockfordfile Aug 2021 #97

"Congress unanimously agreed and voted to approve the Authorization for Military Force Resolution" BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #118

Well since she is a Fidel Castro fan I didn't count her. former9thward Aug 2021 #129

It doesn't preclude the fact that BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #134

It was unanimous among Democrats that I am interested in. former9thward Aug 2021 #135

Stalker? BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #137

lots of people still believe an operation as complex 9-11 was conceieved & controlled KG Aug 2021 #18

Well, bin Laden's cave apparently had an electrical outlet FoxNewsSucks Aug 2021 #22

There weren't IN caves when then conceived and executed that plan. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #65

This misses the point of the criticism cilla4progress Aug 2021 #19

That's interesting. What strategy would you suggest? MineralMan Aug 2021 #33

1. Slow the roll cilla4progress Aug 2021 #42

That is not a feasible strategy. MineralMan Aug 2021 #44

Thanks, but, cilla4progress Aug 2021 #55

OK. MineralMan Aug 2021 #58

"See Trudeau/Canada, for one." BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #69

It was a sham Nasruddin Aug 2021 #77

Agreed. cilla4progress Aug 2021 #81

No rockfordfile Aug 2021 #99

You are exactly right. FoxNewsSucks Aug 2021 #21

Thank you. crickets Aug 2021 #96

Our Pakistani (sometimes) allies made it... LudwigPastorius Aug 2021 #24

After we got bin Laden, we should have pulled out. DinahMoeHum Aug 2021 #25

EXACTLY! nt Trueblue Texan Aug 2021 #117

A recent poll shows 77% approval from the American public for this withdrawal. Paladin Aug 2021 #26

I had to turn off the news XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #128

Accomplishment Number One! FifthColumn Aug 2021 #27

According to most reports Bin laden was still there when we invaded. honest.abe Aug 2021 #29

I remember when; why is a little tougher Warpy Aug 2021 #30

I recall not being all that much for it treestar Aug 2021 #31

We ignored Saudi Arabia's role in all of it. MineralMan Aug 2021 #37

I don't think we intended to improve anything there treestar Aug 2021 #39

"We ignored Saudi Arabia's role in all of it." Spot on Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #85

I agree rockfordfile Aug 2021 #100

Oil and money for the war machine. Blue_playwright Aug 2021 #32

If we delude ourselves that Biden will not get blamed, we will wrong. Jon King Aug 2021 #36

Perhaps we could help by not attacking Joe Biden from MineralMan Aug 2021 #38

True, but to protect Joe we have to see what is coming. Jon King Aug 2021 #47

Majority of Americans support the President on this. rockfordfile Aug 2021 #101

We're not attacking Biden Dopers_Greed Aug 2021 #108

It would not have mattered if we had stayed there notinkansas Aug 2021 #40

Exactly. MineralMan Aug 2021 #45

We should have pull the pin long ago... Historic NY Aug 2021 #41

Excellent post! kellytore Aug 2021 #43

Excellent assessment! secondwind Aug 2021 #46

Secretary of State Blinken and Speaker Pelosi seem to disagree with you andym Aug 2021 #49

They're Talking Nonsense. MineralMan Aug 2021 #52

Thats why there has to be Congressional investigations. Jon King Aug 2021 #54

She must know that as of now, that progress is over. Back to the dark ages for all still there. Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #87

I thank Biden for seeing it for what it is.... paleotn Aug 2021 #51

Actually it has been Bear Creek Aug 2021 #53

There was a point in the history of Afghanistan when Buddhist temples were the norm. littlemissmartypants Aug 2021 #56

That... was a long time ago. nt. druidity33 Aug 2021 #104

Biden should be commended for ending it. BeckyDem Aug 2021 #57

Fine, but secure the airfield and get all US and foreign nationals out. Jon King Aug 2021 #59

Exactly right, and well-said. dchill Aug 2021 #60

Well, whatever, remind RWers that tRump's withdrawal date was May 1. Hortensis Aug 2021 #61

Yes MineralMan...the US should never have been there... Sancho Aug 2021 #62

I can't disagree with that. MineralMan Aug 2021 #63

al Qaeda, bin Laden The Wizard Aug 2021 #64

Al-Qaeda is still there and killing bin Laden was for revenge, it did not destroy al-Qaeda. marie999 Aug 2021 #131

Maybe this should have been prosecuted as a crime. The Wizard Aug 2021 #142

At the time we went in, as I remember crud Aug 2021 #66

I'm not blaming Biden. maxsolomon Aug 2021 #67

Republicans are happy to have a Democrat to blame for their blunder. kentuck Aug 2021 #68

Follow the Money and who is trying to bring down Biden's Administration. MarcA Aug 2021 #70

K and R Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #72

We were no closer to a resolution there than we were in 2002. Texin Aug 2021 #73

YES. elleng Aug 2021 #106

And think back to when the PNAC advocated an "imperial America" with an "imperial President"... CaptainTruth Aug 2021 #75

'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan'. Paraphrasing Rumseld when he was wiggs Aug 2021 #76

May Rumsfeld be in Hell as we speak Hekate Aug 2021 #90

Agreed on all points. However, we could have done better on the withdrawal. cayugafalls Aug 2021 #78

Damn straight. nt Hekate Aug 2021 #79

Reagan was giving them weapons to fight the Soviets before I was even born IronLionZion Aug 2021 #84

I was against it then Marthe48 Aug 2021 #86

Something else to think on, & you inspired my OP... Hekate Aug 2021 #88

+100 MineralMan Aug 2021 #89

This. So much this. Random Boomer Aug 2021 #132

I have every confidence that President Gore would have sent troops in as well... brooklynite Aug 2021 #91

No, president Gore would not have sent troops KelleyKramer Aug 2021 #115

Who sent troops to Afghanistan in the first place? ... Those who said we'd be out in a few mzmolly Aug 2021 #92

Exactly Sunsky Aug 2021 #93

Amazing mzmolly Aug 2021 #94

Unbelievable Sunsky Aug 2021 #95

Apparently mzmolly Aug 2021 #103

FFS, literally EVERYTHING you just wrote is wrong DenaliDemocrat Aug 2021 #98

This∆! ...the OP is WRONG! masmdu Aug 2021 #113

Yes, Fundamentally wrong but still headed DenaliDemocrat Aug 2021 #119

Not really...Kabul had some modern offices and women wearing modern dresses... EX500rider Aug 2021 #139

Mission in Afghanistan was not complete, Al Qaeda will be back manicdem Aug 2021 #102

Blaming Joe Biden for Afghanistan is like blaming him for Covid-19. Heartstrings Aug 2021 #105

Yo'Momms Bin Loggiin has a couple of pertinent posts up soldierant Aug 2021 #107

It was the right decision to leave orangecrush Aug 2021 #109

bin Laden krkaufman Aug 2021 #111

THIS TomCADem Aug 2021 #112

Totally agree. AngryOldDem Aug 2021 #114

Completely agree! Trueblue Texan Aug 2021 #116

I agree MM LittleGirl Aug 2021 #120

For Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld Snackshack Aug 2021 #121

MineralMan bdamomma Aug 2021 #125

I am not a republican and do not support them The Jungle 1 Aug 2021 #127

There wasn't any reason to attack Iraq unless you want to invade every country marie999 Aug 2021 #133

It was a UN sanctioned mission to expel Iraq from Kuwait. EX500rider Aug 2021 #140

Afghan girl. Mosby Aug 2021 #138

The girls and boys of this sexually perverse culture. The Jungle 1 Aug 2021 #141