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notpolltested

(96 posts)
120. Yes, "Defund" was this year's version of 2016's "Emails", 2014's "Obamacare and ebola"
Sun Jun 6, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jun 2021

2010s "Obamacare", and 2004's "Swiftboat", etc. Democrats have not learned how to respond early enough to Republican framing of issues, and only respond once it is too late to change the narrative. We need to hit first and have the debate on our terms and not there's. Look at the meek 2018 campaign of former Senator Bill Nelson, who languished off the airways for months getting bombarded with negative Ads by Rick Scott and didn't go up on the air until too late. Imagine, if Bill had fought back earlier in a race that was closely decided.

EXCELLENT OP StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #1
Indeed, crime will likely be the topic du jour wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #2
+1, RIGHT !! They allow GQP to define the issue first and flood an issue zone with their message uponit7771 Jun 2021 #15
All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #21
This is an outdated analysis wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #34
There Was Low Turnout? ProfessorGAC Jun 2021 #58
Low-turnout voter person who doesn't usually vote wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #62
Left-leaning voters who won't constantly vote are a big part of the problem dansolo Jun 2021 #90
+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #91
Around here, it was definitely more MAGAT turnout than anything else Bettie Jun 2021 #95
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers. LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #153
***BOOM*** Thx for this !!! uponit7771 Jun 2021 #179
Albatross of Fox, Newsmax and OANN. Kid Berwyn Jun 2021 #3
Rose also ran ads saying that he stands with Trump ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #4
Hmmm, so dems have their message for 2022 election set to keep house seats; tie the GQP candidate uponit7771 Jun 2021 #16
Works for me ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #43
Who came up with the phrase? tenderfoot Jun 2021 #5
It was some protesters. Democratic party didn't run on it and only a few supported the phrase as is uponit7771 Jun 2021 #17
The other one that kills me is "woke". The only people using that term are right wingers/GOP tenderfoot Jun 2021 #23
"Woke" is like "the Right Stuff" StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #25
I agree Catherine Vincent Jun 2021 #142
As far as I'm concerned, jml510 Jun 2021 #155
Not for black people, we'll keep using the term despite racist attempts at appropriation. uponit7771 Jun 2021 #158
Black people have been using the term in songs etc since the 1940s and we still use it today ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #157
Tenderfoot, there's a Hulu show called "Woke". Starting season 2. maxsolomon Jun 2021 #208
People who are bad at politics or are so purity crazed they care fuck all about winning elections BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #76
Exactly. Blue_true Jun 2021 #141
Agree. Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #6
Fixed n/t wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #11
Seems smart to me. David__77 Jun 2021 #7
Melanie Stansbury won in New Mexico not in Arizona. comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #8
I was gonna say, that article is misleading. bearsfootball516 Jun 2021 #9
NO .. the point many people we respect said was dtp lost us races; it didn't bad campaigning did uponit7771 Jun 2021 #14
The Law and Order Election LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #24
How are Democrats responsible for urban riots? Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #26
Well if the city is run by a political party and it has unrest the cinematicdiversions Jun 2021 #69
Exit polling this cycle Bettie Jun 2021 #96
Where's the analysis that those people would have otherwise voted for Biden? Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #104
There isn't any Bettie Jun 2021 #111
Her GQP opponent said she supported DTP as they did in 2020!! It's not the point ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #13
TY for the Reality Check, omradebillyboy.. Cha Jun 2021 #44
Loved what Richie Torres said about defund the police, quoted Orwell that some ideas are so stupid betsuni Jun 2021 #10
"some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals can believe them" comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #18
**** THANK YOU !!! **** Blaming a slogan that wasn't part of the party platform is whistling past uponit7771 Jun 2021 #12
Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #19
James Carville hasn't been relevant for years wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #33
So having a large house or two is a bad thing? mcar Jun 2021 #47
Not at all wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #51
He's been a bit more than a "professional liberal pundit" mcar Jun 2021 #73
What else has he done in the past 20 years? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #78
"If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too." betsuni Jun 2021 #75
"When your opponents are drowning, throw them an anvil" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #84
If you write a best-selling book you can be a millionaire, too. betsuni Jun 2021 #203
But I just wrote a best selling book wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #205
answer is no. they can't (won't) let it go. stopdiggin Jun 2021 #38
+1 betsuni Jun 2021 #72
Rts.. K&R TY LMPV!! Hold Police Accountable.. Cha Jun 2021 #45
Then what about Wornock, Ossoff and Stansbury?! The first two won in relative close races too ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #117
Exactly! Owl Jun 2021 #94
Do you!? uponit7771 Jun 2021 #115
Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #20
It's up to Democrats to distance themselves from the slogan. Elessar Zappa Jun 2021 #22
Thank you StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #27
That is hard to do when we have the Squad and others pushing this slogan LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #28
Then dem candidates need to do better at defining themselves !! Few times has it EVER worked at ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #124
Once again you make it very clear that you have never worked on a campaign in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #132
Wornock and Ossoff's reality disagrees with your assessment and ad homs via condescension is an uponit7771 Jun 2021 #133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #137
Irrelevant seeing it doesn't excuse our lack of response to GQP false defining of dem positions ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #143
Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #149
The "Democrats can't just be the not-Trump party" or the "We're not as bad as Republicans party," betsuni Jun 2021 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #152
So Warnock and Ossoff lost? thx in advance uponit7771 Jun 2021 #156
Again it is very clear that you have never ever worked on a campaign in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #201
Very clear you're wrong the DCCC post mortem explains DTP was used to get GQP vote out uponit7771 Jun 2021 #202
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers. LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #204
Again, they "worked" for GQP turn out not ***AGAINST*** swing and dem turn out its an uponit7771 Jun 2021 #206
Reread the material LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #207
Do you tire of being wrong? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #200
The only leftward movement was a possible public option on the table to reform the ACA... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #148
You guys keep using Stanbury as an "example" to prove your point. Have you folks looked at... George II Jun 2021 #161
Cause she bested Bidens numbers by 2% despite DTP attacks? tia uponit7771 Jun 2021 #164
Biden ran in November, she ran in June - a 2% difference either way is irrelevant.... George II Jun 2021 #169
The last candidate got 16% stansberry got 25%, how is that irrelevant? uponit7771 Jun 2021 #170
The "last candidate" (you can say Deb Haaland) ran in a regular election about seven months ago.... George II Jun 2021 #171
She picked up on Bidens margin with her win despite DTP is the point and in a focused attack DTP uponit7771 Jun 2021 #178
Two completely different elections - different offices, different type of election, different YEARS! George II Jun 2021 #180
What about Warnock and Ossoff ? tia uponit7771 Jun 2021 #181
Again, state-wide elections not local. Five million votes vs. 130,000 votes. George II Jun 2021 #183
Warnock and Ossoff are both down ballot no one qualified the level of elections for DTP to affect uponit7771 Jun 2021 #185
Warnock and Ossoff were NOT "down ballot" in January 2021 when they were both elected.... George II Jun 2021 #187
"The swiftboat attacks didn't sink Kerry's campaign it was his no response to them." betsuni Jun 2021 #163
A person who is rhetorically attacked in politics is a victim? On what planet? This notion is what.. uponit7771 Jun 2021 #165
The "Slogan" is Stupid! It's UP to All Cha Jun 2021 #46
Wait so it's the responsibility of BLM to elect democrats, Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #59
Totally irrelevant to the post to which you responded. George II Jun 2021 #177
The post said "all hands on deck", who are they talking to? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #193
Simple - ALL hands. What's your point? George II Jun 2021 #195
That "Defund the Police" had little to do with the lack of gains and losses downballot... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #196
+1, blaming DTP is like blaming COVID for most US deaths vs Trumps inaction uponit7771 Jun 2021 #122
"Defund the Police" attacks are only potent to Dems who respond by punching left wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #30
They also run ads calling Democrats Communists and Socialists, are we going to say that those are... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #100
right ?! Dems blaming dtp is like blaming covid for killing 500k Americans not Trumps poor response. uponit7771 Jun 2021 #144
Allowing an opponent to define you is bad campaigning no matter ... ***PERIOD*** uponit7771 Jun 2021 #105
Our side needs to hit hard Bettie Jun 2021 #112
+1, we need to define them first and flood an issue with facts before they can negatively campaign uponit7771 Jun 2021 #114
And I do understand the whole "take the high road" message Bettie Jun 2021 #116
I think its working its just some people have defined the high road as counter punch & that doesn't uponit7771 Jun 2021 #119
Yes, the, never has been liberal, MSM is pushing the idea that Democratic want police defunded, ShazamIam Jun 2021 #29
So you're saying a D+9 district in NM is the same as a district Trump won in NY? brooklynite Jun 2021 #31
It's a good barometer wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #32
Corrections... brooklynite Jun 2021 #35
The issue is whether the dirtbag left screaming "defund" hurts other Democrats wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #36
Yang has been dropping in the polls for weeks... brooklynite Jun 2021 #40
Yet he's still a favorite to win wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #50
On what basis is he a "favorite"? brooklynite Jun 2021 #61
You have access to the polls wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #63
And polls show he's been dropping consistently... brooklynite Jun 2021 #65
Yang has fans Dorian Gray Jun 2021 #67
D+9 undersells that district BGBD Jun 2021 #37
here's the overview stopdiggin Jun 2021 #39
Trump and republicans BGBD Jun 2021 #42
Max Rose spent more time and money bashing Deblasio and AOC wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #52
Very true ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #56
Rose lost by 6 in a Trump +11 district BGBD Jun 2021 #60
Rose wasted donation money on DeBlasio attack ads wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #64
Rose still voted for impeachment ChrisF1961 Jun 2021 #83
and the 'base' is not particularly energized by Sanders stopdiggin Jun 2021 #70
The myth that most Americans are democratic socialists waiting for true progressive leaders. betsuni Jun 2021 #79
It isn't Dorian Gray Jun 2021 #68
in other words -- if they are not succesful in 'deflecting' stopdiggin Jun 2021 #41
Excellent point.. Cha Jun 2021 #48
The Democrats spent too much time running away from a "slogan" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #53
Blaming protesters is the right idea?!?! WTF ?! How is this not brain dead on its face?! uponit7771 Jun 2021 #128
"Defund" was a loser plain and simple stopdiggin Jun 2021 #131
What you described is textbook bad campaigning to run from something they never ascribe to uponit7771 Jun 2021 #134
The problem is there were plenty of people stopdiggin Jun 2021 #135
That's false, there wasn't "plenty" of dems who ascribed to DTP out of thousands of us ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #139
Dems can't win with "defund". It doesn't make sense for some to oasis Jun 2021 #49
Cori Bush, et al won with "defund" wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #54
I hope to see that applied consistently.... LanternWaste Jun 2021 #55
When have I ever punched left? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #57
Psssst..her district makeup may have played a role. oasis Jun 2021 #71
How come she prevailed in the primary? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #85
DEFUND is a loser for Dems in nationwide contests. Bottom line. oasis Jun 2021 #102
You do realize that those who protested didn't do it so that Democrats can win... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #107
You do realize that "protests" against police misconduct is widely oasis Jun 2021 #108
Most of the public are largely ignorant of the purpose and origins of modern police... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #109
The ignorance of the American public is why "Defund" is a losing oasis Jun 2021 #110
Republicans are the master of sloganeering, because that's all they got... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #118
Dems do positive slogans well: "Yes We Can" "Build Back Better" oasis Jun 2021 #123
Those are generic platitudes, not policy positions, hell the Republicans do the same... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #147
YES! Huge majorities would like to see 'better policing' stopdiggin Jun 2021 #136
"Defund" is complicated, but like the guy said, oasis Jun 2021 #138
and that's the story here in a nutshell -(nt)- stopdiggin Jun 2021 #140
RIGHT !!! They didn't allow the GQP to define them !!! We need to define ourselves & issues better uponit7771 Jun 2021 #125
Winning the primary in her district is almost an automatic general election victory.... George II Jun 2021 #176
Cori Bush won more 13% votes than Clay did in 2018 wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #182
You do understand that turnout for Presidential elections is higher than midterms, right? George II Jun 2021 #186
Half true Silent3 Jun 2021 #66
The smart thing would be wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #86
"The dirtbag left"... jcgoldie Jun 2021 #74
"Dirty Fucking Hippies" is also a good moniker n/t wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #87
The dirtbag left is what they called themselves. Chapo Trap House. They coined the phrase to betsuni Jun 2021 #88
"Woke" wasn't derogatory either wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #130
What podcast Chapo Trap House called themselves and their audience. Not derogatory. betsuni Jun 2021 #89
Thanks jcgoldie Jun 2021 #92
Zzzzzzzzz BannonsLiver Jun 2021 #77
Any other Trump talking points people want to bring up here? Iggo Jun 2021 #80
This is the dumbest post ever Azathoth Jun 2021 #81
You are correct. betsuni Jun 2021 #82
Yup , pretty much similar to Republicans with the red/blue state map which shows large red areas JI7 Jun 2021 #97
Actually, doesn't that strengthen the point? Democrats who won marginal seats around the country.... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #98
Wornock and Ossoff winning is dumb too?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2021 #126
Another "Why didn't Democrats stop _____ ?" Blame Democrats! betsuni Jun 2021 #93
Tell people like Carville to stop it, I really don't understand the analysis operatives... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #99
I disagree. I don't think Democrats underestimated anything because they know Trump's voters betsuni Jun 2021 #101
From the operatives and pundits perspective, they underestimated things badly... Humanist_Activist Jun 2021 #103
We need to be able to run good campaigns were we define the republicans FIRST and flood an uponit7771 Jun 2021 #113
Because we must improve our messaging to have any shot in 2022 with even more onerous notpolltested Jun 2021 #127
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We must hit first, hard and often in defining the GQP as anti democracy and make uponit7771 Jun 2021 #129
For example? betsuni Jun 2021 #145
Sometimes, but more broadly it means nimbleness and being prepared to counter notpolltested Jun 2021 #146
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2021 #159
K&R, DTP didn't sink candidates their bad response to DTP did !!! uponit7771 Jun 2021 #106
Yes, "Defund" was this year's version of 2016's "Emails", 2014's "Obamacare and ebola" notpolltested Jun 2021 #120
Blaming DTP for dem losses is like blaming CV19 for most US deaths instead of Trumps inaction... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #121
Attacking good Democratic candidates who lost due to this slogan is offensive and wrong LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2021 #150
We agree and that's why those who understand campagning are stating fact not in dispute: Dems ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #154
So here and your other post in this thread, you're saying any Democrat who loses deserves to lose? George II Jun 2021 #162
No, any pol who allows an opponent to define them falsely in this day and age is running a ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #166
Max Rose is in a deep red District that has gone to the republicans almost every election.... George II Jun 2021 #160
What about Warnock and Ossoff they defined themselves on policing and didn't let their ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #167
But that's exactly what some people looking for a scape-goat for their bad campaigns notpolltested Jun 2021 #168
So let's see - Democrats hold the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and in two years.... George II Jun 2021 #172
If the evidence shows such we should change then blaming a slogan when there's blaring proof that uponit7771 Jun 2021 #175
Dems losing 13 House seats is a victory in your world wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #184
Did I say that? I said Democrats are in control of the House. They might not have lost 13 seats.... George II Jun 2021 #188
You totally ignored the fact that Dems lost 13 house seats wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #189
No I didn't - it wasn't germane in the context of that part of the discussion, there was no.... George II Jun 2021 #190
"Pelosi" was used just as much as "Defund" in attack ads wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #192
Ah, so now you're changing the subject. We're talking about "DEFUND THE POLICE" and its negative.... George II Jun 2021 #194
No, you're just deflecting again wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #197
192 posts in this thread and you decide to bring Pelosi into the discussion. I'm "deflecting"? George II Jun 2021 #198
Take care, dude wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #199
Duplicate post George II Jun 2021 #173
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Thank you, I'm think I'm going nuts when there's evidence after evidence of ... uponit7771 Jun 2021 #174
Defund the Police nt RegularJam Jun 2021 #191
From Joe Biden LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #209
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