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In reply to the discussion: Democrats have only themselves to blame if they lose to "defund the police" [View all]
uponit7771
(90,392 posts)15. +1, RIGHT !! They allow GQP to define the issue first and flood an issue zone with their message
... vs getting out with something that works of our own.
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Democrats have only themselves to blame if they lose to "defund the police" [View all]
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
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+1, RIGHT !! They allow GQP to define the issue first and flood an issue zone with their message
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#15
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#153
Hmmm, so dems have their message for 2022 election set to keep house seats; tie the GQP candidate
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#16
It was some protesters. Democratic party didn't run on it and only a few supported the phrase as is
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#17
The other one that kills me is "woke". The only people using that term are right wingers/GOP
tenderfoot
Jun 2021
#23
Not for black people, we'll keep using the term despite racist attempts at appropriation.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#158
Black people have been using the term in songs etc since the 1940s and we still use it today ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#157
People who are bad at politics or are so purity crazed they care fuck all about winning elections
BannonsLiver
Jun 2021
#76
NO .. the point many people we respect said was dtp lost us races; it didn't bad campaigning did
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#14
Where's the analysis that those people would have otherwise voted for Biden?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#104
Her GQP opponent said she supported DTP as they did in 2020!! It's not the point ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#13
Loved what Richie Torres said about defund the police, quoted Orwell that some ideas are so stupid
betsuni
Jun 2021
#10
**** THANK YOU !!! **** Blaming a slogan that wasn't part of the party platform is whistling past
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#12
Then what about Wornock, Ossoff and Stansbury?! The first two won in relative close races too ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#117
That is hard to do when we have the Squad and others pushing this slogan
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#28
Then dem candidates need to do better at defining themselves !! Few times has it EVER worked at ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#124
Once again you make it very clear that you have never worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#132
Wornock and Ossoff's reality disagrees with your assessment and ad homs via condescension is an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#137
Irrelevant seeing it doesn't excuse our lack of response to GQP false defining of dem positions ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#143
The "Democrats can't just be the not-Trump party" or the "We're not as bad as Republicans party,"
betsuni
Jun 2021
#151
Again it is very clear that you have never ever worked on a campaign in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#201
Very clear you're wrong the DCCC post mortem explains DTP was used to get GQP vote out
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#202
Can Democrats avoid the pitfalls of 2020? A new analysis offers striking answers.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#204
Again, they "worked" for GQP turn out not ***AGAINST*** swing and dem turn out its an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#206
The only leftward movement was a possible public option on the table to reform the ACA...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#148
You guys keep using Stanbury as an "example" to prove your point. Have you folks looked at...
George II
Jun 2021
#161
Biden ran in November, she ran in June - a 2% difference either way is irrelevant....
George II
Jun 2021
#169
The "last candidate" (you can say Deb Haaland) ran in a regular election about seven months ago....
George II
Jun 2021
#171
She picked up on Bidens margin with her win despite DTP is the point and in a focused attack DTP
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#178
Two completely different elections - different offices, different type of election, different YEARS!
George II
Jun 2021
#180
Again, state-wide elections not local. Five million votes vs. 130,000 votes.
George II
Jun 2021
#183
Warnock and Ossoff are both down ballot no one qualified the level of elections for DTP to affect
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#185
Warnock and Ossoff were NOT "down ballot" in January 2021 when they were both elected....
George II
Jun 2021
#187
"The swiftboat attacks didn't sink Kerry's campaign it was his no response to them."
betsuni
Jun 2021
#163
A person who is rhetorically attacked in politics is a victim? On what planet? This notion is what..
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#165
That "Defund the Police" had little to do with the lack of gains and losses downballot...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#196
+1, blaming DTP is like blaming COVID for most US deaths vs Trumps inaction
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#122
"Defund the Police" attacks are only potent to Dems who respond by punching left
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
#30
They also run ads calling Democrats Communists and Socialists, are we going to say that those are...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#100
right ?! Dems blaming dtp is like blaming covid for killing 500k Americans not Trumps poor response.
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#144
Allowing an opponent to define you is bad campaigning no matter ... ***PERIOD***
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#105
+1, we need to define them first and flood an issue with facts before they can negatively campaign
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#114
I think its working its just some people have defined the high road as counter punch & that doesn't
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#119
Yes, the, never has been liberal, MSM is pushing the idea that Democratic want police defunded,
ShazamIam
Jun 2021
#29
So you're saying a D+9 district in NM is the same as a district Trump won in NY?
brooklynite
Jun 2021
#31
The issue is whether the dirtbag left screaming "defund" hurts other Democrats
wellst0nev0ter
Jun 2021
#36
The myth that most Americans are democratic socialists waiting for true progressive leaders.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#79
Blaming protesters is the right idea?!?! WTF ?! How is this not brain dead on its face?!
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#128
What you described is textbook bad campaigning to run from something they never ascribe to
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#134
That's false, there wasn't "plenty" of dems who ascribed to DTP out of thousands of us ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#139
You do realize that those who protested didn't do it so that Democrats can win...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#107
Most of the public are largely ignorant of the purpose and origins of modern police...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#109
Republicans are the master of sloganeering, because that's all they got...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#118
Those are generic platitudes, not policy positions, hell the Republicans do the same...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#147
RIGHT !!! They didn't allow the GQP to define them !!! We need to define ourselves & issues better
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#125
Winning the primary in her district is almost an automatic general election victory....
George II
Jun 2021
#176
You do understand that turnout for Presidential elections is higher than midterms, right?
George II
Jun 2021
#186
The dirtbag left is what they called themselves. Chapo Trap House. They coined the phrase to
betsuni
Jun 2021
#88
What podcast Chapo Trap House called themselves and their audience. Not derogatory.
betsuni
Jun 2021
#89
Yup , pretty much similar to Republicans with the red/blue state map which shows large red areas
JI7
Jun 2021
#97
Actually, doesn't that strengthen the point? Democrats who won marginal seats around the country....
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#98
Tell people like Carville to stop it, I really don't understand the analysis operatives...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#99
I disagree. I don't think Democrats underestimated anything because they know Trump's voters
betsuni
Jun 2021
#101
From the operatives and pundits perspective, they underestimated things badly...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2021
#103
We need to be able to run good campaigns were we define the republicans FIRST and flood an
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#113
Because we must improve our messaging to have any shot in 2022 with even more onerous
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#127
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We must hit first, hard and often in defining the GQP as anti democracy and make
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#129
Sometimes, but more broadly it means nimbleness and being prepared to counter
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#146
Yes, "Defund" was this year's version of 2016's "Emails", 2014's "Obamacare and ebola"
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#120
Blaming DTP for dem losses is like blaming CV19 for most US deaths instead of Trumps inaction...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#121
Attacking good Democratic candidates who lost due to this slogan is offensive and wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2021
#150
We agree and that's why those who understand campagning are stating fact not in dispute: Dems ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#154
So here and your other post in this thread, you're saying any Democrat who loses deserves to lose?
George II
Jun 2021
#162
No, any pol who allows an opponent to define them falsely in this day and age is running a ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#166
Max Rose is in a deep red District that has gone to the republicans almost every election....
George II
Jun 2021
#160
What about Warnock and Ossoff they defined themselves on policing and didn't let their ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#167
But that's exactly what some people looking for a scape-goat for their bad campaigns
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#168
So let's see - Democrats hold the House, the Senate, and the Presidency and in two years....
George II
Jun 2021
#172
If the evidence shows such we should change then blaming a slogan when there's blaring proof that
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#175
Did I say that? I said Democrats are in control of the House. They might not have lost 13 seats....
George II
Jun 2021
#188
No I didn't - it wasn't germane in the context of that part of the discussion, there was no....
George II
Jun 2021
#190
Ah, so now you're changing the subject. We're talking about "DEFUND THE POLICE" and its negative....
George II
Jun 2021
#194
192 posts in this thread and you decide to bring Pelosi into the discussion. I'm "deflecting"?
George II
Jun 2021
#198
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Thank you, I'm think I'm going nuts when there's evidence after evidence of ...
uponit7771
Jun 2021
#174
