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Tomconroy

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Sat May 1, 2021, 08:24 PM May 2021

My wife's encounter with Justice Scalia [View all]

This goes back a decade or so. My wife is the classics translator Sarah Ruden. You can google her. In her world she is famous. (I guess for the sake of the story it is worth knowing that she is a Quaker pacifist.) At this time she was a visiting scholar at Wesleyan University in Connecticut. It had been announced that Justice Antonin Scalia would be visiting the university to give an endowed lecture before a crowd of several hundred people at the university chapel. One day she got an email inquiring if she wanted to attend a small luncheon the university would be throwing to welcome Scalia in the afternoon. Sarah immediately replied that she wanted to go, only to be told that the invite had been sent in error to way too many people. Sarah wrote back saying that they really should invite her. She and Scalia did the same thing. They interpreted ancient texts. Well, her pitch worked (Probably along with the fact that she was the only Guggenheim Fellowship winner on campus). She got the invitation to the lunch.
At this time I was working as a public defender. Àlthough I'm sure Scalia rightly has a terrible reputation as a jurist among most readers of this site, it was a bit different for criminal lawyers. Scalia had authored some seminal opinions vindicating the rights of defendants, particularly in the area of search and seizure law. I gave Sarah a copy of a case of his called Crawford v. Washington. Simply put, it raised an objection based on hearsay to the level of a constitutional violation of the right to confront witnesses. It changed what lawyers do in the court room. Instead of saying "Objection, hearsay", you say "This evidence violates the Confrontation Clause of the US Constitution (and it's hearsay).
The day came for the lunch. There were maybe 35 people attending. First there was a reception. Sarah remembers several people inviting Scalia to a concert where someone had written a new piece of music celebrating the Bill of Rights. Scalia politely indicated he would rather be water boarded.
Anyway, it came time to sit down for lunch. Through clever maneuvering Sarah was seated on the corner, one place away from Scalia. The lunch proceeded about halfway through with a variety of conversational gambits, none really catching fire. Then there was a pause and Sarah took her chance:"My husband is a public defender. He wanted me to thank you for Crawford v. Washington". Well, that got his attention. They talked about the case a little bit. Sarah said how impressed she was by a reference he made in the text to Star Chamber Assemblies. Scalia told her "My clerks put in a lot of that stuff". Then he added: It's true, I really should be a centerfold pinup for the criminal bar. His final word on the subject was: The worst part of my job is that I have to do favors for groups of people I can't stand, like criminal defense lawyers!
Sarah then went to the real reason for attending the lunch. She proceeded to explain what she did for a living and proceeded to tell him about a theory popular in the world of bible translation called Dynamic Equivalence. The essence of the theory, as I understand it, is that you can not just translate a text word for word. You have to translate it in a way that will have meaning for its readers. The original intent of an author is difficult to know. The important thing is the effect the text has on its audience. Of course Scalia, the original Originalist, would have none of it. The conversation went back and forth, Sarah citing examples of how you would translate bible stories for an African villager, Scalia saying she was all wrong. You could explain things in the footnotes. He didn't agree, but he did find the subject interesting, particularly since it touched on religion. By now everyone else in the room was just listening. The argument ended in a friendly draw and the conversation moved on to a number of other subjects, in particular, there was a discussion of a mutual love of vacationing at the South Carolina shore. He knew Pawleys Island well.
When it came time for the lunch to end Scalia invited Sarah to walk out with him to his waiting limo. When they reached the car he threw his arms around her and gave her an enormous hug.
The other night when I was going over the story with Sarah so I could tell it here, she suddenly paused and asked me "Why aren't they like that anymore?"
I really don't know.

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the idea of getting a hug from Scalia makes me feel sick Skittles May 2021 #1
✔️ blm May 2021 #6
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was good friends with Scalia. yardwork May 2021 #21
And yet, it was well known that he and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were good friends. pnwmom May 2021 #24
I honestly don't care Skittles May 2021 #31
They bonded on the subject of opera. smirkymonkey May 2021 #44
Different time different context. LakeArenal May 2021 #2
So he's drinking again? n/t Mr.Bill May 2021 #10
Thought he was sharp as a tack. LakeArenal May 2021 #18
the man is and always will be a warmongering piece of SHIT Skittles May 2021 #33
I agree completely.... OhioChick May 2021 #34
This. Treefrog May 2021 #48
Just a jolly ol' war criminal. Fuck that piece of shit Javaman May 2021 #40
The larger question is, why do they turn it on and off? LisaM May 2021 #3
The answer to any question about "conservative" motives is expedience. jaxexpat May 2021 #14
Watch this short video... zaj May 2021 #15
That was fascinating! ShazzieB May 2021 #22
Sounds like a good framework... Salviati May 2021 #38
Republicans in the past cared about fairness only for people like them dansolo May 2021 #55
Sociopaths I_UndergroundPanther May 2021 #30
Nice story. blm May 2021 #4
Thanks! elleng May 2021 #5
I threw up in my lap,... At the thought of a bear hug from black robe white hood big phoney bologna magicarpet May 2021 #7
Thanks again, and it might be a good idea of folks would recall the lengthy and warm relationship elleng May 2021 #8
Right. As much as I hate, loathe, and deplore some of his SCOTUS decisions ShazzieB May 2021 #26
That was my immediate thought, too. Now I can better understand their friendship. n/t pnwmom May 2021 #27
Scalia was also on friendliest terms with RBG FakeNoose May 2021 #9
I think it's a manifestation of sociopathy. Girard442 May 2021 #11
Scalia was a piece of human garbage Mysterian May 2021 #12
Thank you, a fascinating story. Joinfortmill May 2021 #13
She trapped the asshole. Good story. Pepsidog May 2021 #16
Thanks for the story, and what a great event. The subject discussed Hortensis May 2021 #17
Thanks for your post - love this sotry. n/t iluvtennis May 2021 #19
A very interesting tale. Liberal In Texas May 2021 #20
Welcome to DU, Tomconroy! calimary May 2021 #29
My family vacationed at Pawleys Island when I was a child. yardwork May 2021 #23
+100 k&r reACTIONary May 2021 #25
What a story. Welcome to DU, Tomconroy! n/t pnwmom May 2021 #28
Hats off from another (retired) PD Ponietz May 2021 #32
Spare me Scalia, Please zentrum May 2021 #35
Ruth Bater Ginsburg, probably the greatest justice of my lifetime was fast friends with him. GulfCoast66 May 2021 #36
who CARES what RBG thought of him Skittles May 2021 #37
He was hateful and flouted conflict of interest principles, regardless of RBG's acceptance. JudyM May 2021 #53
THANK YOU Skittles May 2021 #54
Scalia was a mixed bag in a lot of ways Warpy May 2021 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author 1cheapbeemr May 2021 #41
I think the "why" of it is the era he had to operate in JHB May 2021 #42
"like that anymore" - um, like what? UTUSN May 2021 #43
Interesting story. burrowowl May 2021 #45
Welcome to DU alphafemale May 2021 #46
Welcome to DU MustLoveBeagles May 2021 #47
Did she still have her wallet after the hug? nuxvomica May 2021 #49
Interesting story dlk May 2021 #50
Great story Retired Engineer Bob May 2021 #51
Great story. As a defense attorney myself I use Crawford daily. Tried to engage my Pepsidog May 2021 #52
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