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15. You are about to find out why Carville said what he said.
Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:37 PM
Apr 2021

There is a split in the Democratic Party over the meaning of words, primarily the definition of racism. It was papered over while Trump was in office, but now the fight is coming out into the open and has come to DU.

Why is it that we have to give Carville the benefit of the doubt? Caliman73 Apr 2021 #1
He grew up in Louisiana, born in 1944. Lars39 Apr 2021 #2
This is the problem StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #3
I don't think people shouldn't be offended Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #5
That's largely nonsense. Loki Liesmith Apr 2021 #4
pretty much affirming exactly what the OP said stopdiggin Apr 2021 #6
Do you see the abject fallacy in your reasoning? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #8
I'll admit I do not stopdiggin Apr 2021 #22
Whether you like it or not, you're doing exactly what Carville is calling a problem. Silent3 Apr 2021 #10
So you are saying, that rather than educating themselves... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #26
No, I'm saying there's no need to expect Carville to "educate himself" Silent3 Apr 2021 #28
Of course not. No need to understand others if you are the dominant culture. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #31
If you say "I know what Carville wants to mean"... Silent3 Apr 2021 #33
If you say so. Caliman73 Apr 2021 #34
"there's no need to expect Carville to 'educate himself"' StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42
That is of course what I meant Silent3 Apr 2021 #49
Liberal was a fine word and description of a political ideology for years but then it was hijacked Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #36
I agree that "whitey" is a slur and uncalled for... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #45
Another poster used the term and I posted to you in error...mea culpa. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #47
No worries. I did a spit take! Caliman73 Apr 2021 #50
Yeah, I am sorry...I could make the excuse that my house is a disaster as we prepare to sell it Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #74
We don't. Carville left no doubt what he meant. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #19
Sounds like you're doing damage control for Carville. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #7
Only Black and Brown people and our allies are expected to explain ourselves and adjust our words StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #9
Actually, I'm pointing out a general problem of communication... Silent3 Apr 2021 #12
Nope. The burden of proof is not on the people who will be most harmed by the misunderstanding. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #16
They why would Obama have said pretty much the same thing? Silent3 Apr 2021 #20
Obama didn't say the same thing StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21
That's what wokeness means *to you*. Silent3 Apr 2021 #24
That's what wokeness means StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #25
Oh come now StarfishSaver... Caliman73 Apr 2021 #27
The thing is I think you do understand what he meant... Silent3 Apr 2021 #32
Or (almost certainly) simply playing games while acting sanctimonious. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #30
Obama will have to explain his position, as well. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #23
Nobody has to explain themselves...everyone can have their own opinion. I agree with Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #39
Excuse me? The Woke community is being called out by name, here. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #51
I don't like the term and the GOP will exploit it. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #73
GOP exploited a black president just because he wore a tan suit. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #77
That's not what she said StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #52
She made a sweeping comment that the US is not racist. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #56
She in no way suggested this was 'past tense" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #58
Everyone is basically characterizing it the same way. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #61
No, she didn't agree with Tim Scott StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #66
Obama doesn:t "have" to do anything StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
Actually, Obama was very vocal about racism being directed at him going during the Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #53
He had to walk a very fine line while he was president. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #55
Not true. Not true at all. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #57
Well, you sure set the record straight with that pithy and well researched response StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #59
I know definitely that he was talking about racism around that second election because Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #60
Anecdotes about the few times Obama mentioned race in no way obviates my point StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #62
You sound like someone who is bobbing fiercely to stay afloat. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #65
You have spent the last several posts pulling things out of thin air I did not aay StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #67
No, you don't see me at all. Baitball Blogger Apr 2021 #71
This is revisionist history. When Clinton ran for president, we had 12 years of GOP presidents. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #38
Carville worried about our wording? PurgedVoter Apr 2021 #11
Are you so absolutely, positively certain... Silent3 Apr 2021 #13
I don't think he was doing anything racist. He is just privileged Caliman73 Apr 2021 #29
I listened to a video with a crazy women afraid that vaccinated people were a danger... Silent3 Apr 2021 #35
No You Are Not RobinA Apr 2021 #80
Big Enders vs. Little Enders Mossfern Apr 2021 #14
And that is the truth and why we don't have nice things policy wise. Demsrule86 Apr 2021 #46
You are about to find out why Carville said what he said. marylandblue Apr 2021 #15
A big part of the problem is that too many people who have never experienced racism StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #17
It was never papered over for me. It became blatantly obvious during the 2016 primaries... Blasphemer Apr 2021 #40
Absolutely Spot on. I struggled mightily to articulate msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #18
Bull Fucking Shit. ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #37
What is your evidence that Carville was "ignoring whiteness as a social structure"? Silent3 Apr 2021 #41
What is your evidence that he wasn't? ismnotwasm Apr 2021 #43
So presumption of guilt is the best approach here? n/t Silent3 Apr 2021 #48
No StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54
Benefit of the doubt isn't mutually exclusive here Silent3 Apr 2021 #68
Ok!! LOL USALiberal Apr 2021 #63
Please rewrite your post, makes no sense IMO! Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #64
If you have a specific question... Silent3 Apr 2021 #70
Carville threw the word woke the same way right wingers do. Iggo Apr 2021 #69
+1, He used their framing cause he never heard it being used by black folk. He needs some black fri uponit7771 Apr 2021 #76
You are a brave soul Hekate Apr 2021 #72
And where was "cancel culture" when people were being fired for simply being gay? ck4829 Apr 2021 #75
It existed, and didn't have the name n/t Silent3 Apr 2021 #78
I think Carville is a much better political operative than Ron Green Apr 2021 #79
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