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(44,133 posts)through reconciliation) get passed as now Manchin has said no to even MODIFYING the filibuster to any degree that would actually work for us.
Is he flat out lying? He is making absolute statements so either he is lying or he is going to block a shedload of Biden's agenda. Plus not many are even talking about Sinema, who is even more radical on the filibuster than Manchin. She wants a 60 vote threshold for ALL Senate action.
It is not me nor the press saying this. It is Manchin himself. He also says he will not pass a bill through reconciliation that doesn't have bi-partisan support. Where is that going to come from? What is his definition of bi-partisan? 1, 2 Rethugs? 10 Rethugs?
Do you actually think 10 Rethugs will sign on and vote all the voting rights bills into law? They would have too, as they al will be filibustered, and Manchin will not eliminate the 60 vote threshold. They cannot be put into a reconciliation bill.
If you do think 10 Rethugs will sign on for those voter bills, well, I have a bridge to sell you. It comes with a great view of the Thames.
Also, what modifications will he support now that he has taken any that 'weaken' it at all (which is the entire point of modification) off the table? He already specifically said NO, never, to the 41 votes to sustain option, and his insistence on 60 votes being kept as the threshold for cloture being invoked kills off the talking filibuster option to any remotely workable degree.
Joe Manchin says there is no circumstance in which he would back weakening the filibuster.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/us/politics/joe-manchin-filibuster-reconciliation.html
Senator Joe Manchin III of West Virginia, a key moderate Democrat, on Wednesday reaffirmed his vow to protect the filibuster in the evenly divided Senate and suggested reluctance to his party repeatedly using a fast-track budget process to advance legislation without Republican votes.
Mr. Manchin has long been one of the most stalwart defenders of the 60-vote threshold needed to end debate in the upper chamber, even as it threatens to derail key elements of President Bidens agenda. Despite previously toying with possible reforms to the procedural hurdle, he has repeatedly swatted away queries about what could drive him to vote to outright abolish the filibuster, even as Democrats have gamed out various scenarios in which he might relent.
In an opinion piece published in The Washington Post, Mr. Manchin vowed that there was no circumstance in which I will vote to eliminate or weaken the filibuster, and he urged party leaders to compromise on legislation instead of trying to work around Republican opposition. Ten Republicans are currently needed to join all Democrats in a 50-50 Senate to pass major pieces of legislation through the regular process.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/joe-manchin-filibuster-vote/2021/04/07/cdbd53c6-97da-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html
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I simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the Senate. How is that good for the future of this nation? Senate Democrats must avoid the temptation to abandon our Republican colleagues on important national issues. Republicans, however, have a responsibility to stop saying no, and participate in finding real compromise with Democrats.
So please do tell how this is going to work, and btw, quoting Schumer as saying 'Failure is not an option' is not a valid reply.
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