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In reply to the discussion: Girl, 14, Sues Family to Stop Abortion [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)There are those that will attempt to 'coerce' abortion, which is what the judge is actually dealing with.
The antis, by using the term "forced abortion" are deliberately trying to create the impression that indeed, abortion providers will perform an abortion on someone that says no. Those here seem to think that parents are the ones who will be giving the go ahead, and not the girl, for the procedure - that somehow it can indeed happen if she doesn't consent. The anti's are drawing parallels with rape, acting like they are for a 'choice' but they would try their hardest to inflict coerced childbearing her if she didn't want to have a baby.
Coerced abortion possible - but far, far less likely to ever happen than coerced sex, which is indeed rape.
Why? - Ethics aside, abortion providers have a LOT to lose by going ahead with a procedure on someone that they think has DOUBTS about having one. There are lawyers that make a living getting women to sue abortion providers after the fact for "not telling them they were killing a baby," etc. They will err on the side of turning someone who is hesitant away rather than performing a coerced abortion.
Clinics specifically ask patients if they are being pressured to have an abortion, if they have doubts, etc. They are trained to spot this. It would be INCREDIBLY difficult for a 14 year old who is against having an abortion to convince a trained counselor who would be looking for any signs of coercion. While 'possible' - incredibly unlikely. People here seem to think that there is a good possibility that this 14 year old would somehow, some way, be on a table getting one, if the judge said your parents know best.
The judge has not put a restraining order on a clinic - the judge has put a restraining order on the parents TALKING to her about it until the court appointed attorney to the girl can sort out what she actually wants - without the anti-choice lawyers agenda, or her family.
I understand that rape can be rape even if there is not grappling, or physical threats. But - this is not the case with abortion providers. They actively try TURN AWAY women & girls who have doubts.
Yes, I will make a distinction between coerced abortion and 'forced abortion' AS IT IS BEING DISCUSSED and defined here on this board.
I would not make that distinction in rape, which has a different dynamic - in that the inflictor has a motivation to inflict and coerce. Rapists deliberately ignore the protestations or emotional response of the victim. That is what makes it rape.
Obstetricians who provide abortions do not get 'pleasure' or a sense of power over women from providing abortions, nor do they do it because they "like" abortion. This makes them profoundly different than rapists, and removes what would impel them to 'force' an abortion on someone.
Does that clarify my statements for you?