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essme

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Fri Jan 1, 2021, 08:29 AM Jan 2021

Parler, and other forums like it are the 21st Century "Jonestowns" [View all]

My oldest friend- of 35 or so years has been going nuttier and nuttier for the past several months. Let me give a bit of background information:

We (I am a 56 year old female) met when I was 21, living in a communal atmosphere in Asheville, NC. It was so much fun; the entire group was pretty liberal, we all had jobs and contributed to the upkeep of the house, monthly bills, etc. We hung out, had friends over, wonderful conversations. I don't recall any of us ever drinking- I can't even remember seeing a bottle of wine in the house. We were pretty healthy; our greatest fun was cooking huge meals and enjoying each other's company. The house (which has been sold) is in North Asheville near the Grove Park Inn. We were all involved with something creative, whether it was school, the environment, bird watching, photography- etc.

Over the years, we all moved on as people do- got married, had kids, got divorced (in my case, I traveled- and decided to go back to school and attend grad school)--- the usual. Nothing serious- just normal life.

My friend (who is male) was always interested in the paranormal- UFO's, ghosts. I have an open mind, so thought it was interesting, and sometimes fun. He was also- at the time, a computer genius. This guy was on the forefront of installing satellite TV, then cable- Electronically, he knew what he was doing- no doubt about it. There was nothing electronic he couldn't fix.

He is also Poly. Again, not interested in that lifestyle for myself, but I really just don't worry about how others self identify their preferred family structure.

Since Trump was elected, I have been getting some pretty strange emails. Again, nothing new- usually it's about UFO's, ghosts, etc. But, now it's become weirder and political. He is sending me emails that read like Qanon crap. Political conspiracy theories. "Deep state crap." I don't need to tell you guys what they say, because you all probably have an idea.

However, now? I am getting emails with the same theme: "You don't know what I do- you don't know what is REALLY going on."

I am a firm believer now that we have a serious problem in the US: A cult- and one whose space is defined by URL's as opposed to a plot of land. This one is bigger than anything we have ever seen, and should not be taken lightly.

Cults require a few things to define them:

1. Leadership. (Trump, and minions in the House, Senate, and on the state level)
2. Membership in a defined space. (Parler, Qanon....There are probably many wesbites I don't know about)
3. Paranoia about "the other" --- don't talk to them, don't mix- hence, the rise of Parler for the middle class-
but, more importantly:

4. A belief that requires that one is a "member." Part of a "family." That feeling of "belonging," and that you and the others are privvy to information ONLY available to YOU and other members. All humans need a family, or a "pack." Even Incels- that's why they join Incel groups- there are very few TRUE loners- even Thoreau needed an audience.

Old fashioned cults would have hated the internet- they self-defined by physical geography. They hated the rest of the world, and went out of their way to NOT allow others in. Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, the Manson "family." The last thing they wanted was scrutiny.

This is going to be one of the biggest issues facing us as we move forward. It's scary as crap.

And yes- I miss my friend. I do. He's a neat guy- and I am NOT cutting contact. I keep writing him back and saying, "this is not a credible source," and explaining why.

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In addition to, this is not a credible source, add where did you learn this? or How do you know this 3Hotdogs Jan 2021 #1
:) Well, I am a middle school librarian who teaches essme Jan 2021 #3
O.T.O.H. as another credible source says, "You can't fix stupid." 3Hotdogs Jan 2021 #4
I think in this case, the Dems are going to have to try essme Jan 2021 #6
How? If it were only stupidity and ignorance. It's personality Hortensis Jan 2021 #10
Extremely good points- essme Jan 2021 #11
Hillary's big plans were what you call pushing the party back Hortensis Jan 2021 #25
Your media point is well taken. A good example would be Johnny Wood, who was very popular for dameatball Jan 2021 #30
I agree get the red out Jan 2021 #2
That's what I am seeing also essme Jan 2021 #5
A "pagan" white supremacist church?? Sounds bizarre and contradictory. niyad Jan 2021 #15
It's the Asatru Folk Assembly essme Jan 2021 #16
Ah, yes, of course. That group was discussed here recently. Very weird, nasty bunch. I will have to niyad Jan 2021 #19
Odenists are everywhere. Maggiemayhem Jan 2021 #21
I have a personal axe to grind with those clowns. Hugin Jan 2021 #35
I recently came to the realization these modern cults are built around a hashtag or... Hugin Jan 2021 #7
Great points- essme Jan 2021 #8
I'm glad you brought the subject up... Hugin Jan 2021 #9
Thank you for bringing up this very important subject. niyad Jan 2021 #12
Too bad they can't distribute the flavor-aid over the net Yeehah Jan 2021 #13
I had a co-worker until last year who was the same way Tarc Jan 2021 #14
You could have written the emails from my friend essme Jan 2021 #17
Oh it gets even funnier/sadder, then Tarc Jan 2021 #20
A person whom I have known for about ten years is slipping deeper into the morass. niyad Jan 2021 #18
Certain phrases are starting to trigger me: "There is no doubt you didn't know about this" essme Jan 2021 #23
They are a great warning. That first phrase came before a lecture on the secret military niyad Jan 2021 #26
"did you get the one about the person being in contact with someone very high up in the cia?" essme Jan 2021 #28
Or the "D.U.M.B.'s" my current favourite. The deep underground military bunkers where all the niyad Jan 2021 #31
People are lost and looking for meaning in life. Johnny2X2X Jan 2021 #27
Certainly a lot of them are. This person has never evinced any philosophical quandaries, or deep niyad Jan 2021 #32
I shared this with a friend TNNurse Jan 2021 #22
I was there starting in '84 essme Jan 2021 #24
We visited and have been to Malaprops more than once. TNNurse Jan 2021 #29
K&R. There was a totally fantastic article I read at cracked.com a couple of years ago, bullwinkle428 Jan 2021 #33
KR&B. This discussion is fascinating. n/t ms liberty Jan 2021 #34
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