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6. This has been brought up before and it isn't going to work.

Reply to CaliforniaPeggy (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 04:02 PM

Nov 2020

First problem: Joe Biden spent 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as "President" of the Senate. He is not going to change the way things have been done.

Second problem: Neither Harris nor Biden will want her spending all her time presiding over the Senate.

Third problem: The Constitution states that "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings...."

The presiding officer of the Senate doesn't make rules -- he/she only presides over the application of those rules. The Senate can, and if pushed to do so, pass all kinds of rules that would effectively limit what the presiding officer can do, such as a rule specifying that the presiding officer must recognize the majority leader. And that would be the end of it.

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From NewsFlector: How VP Harris can sideline MoscowMitch. [View all] CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2020 OP

There is no magic wand to make Mitch go away. We just have to win Georgia. tritsofme Nov 2020 #1

There is no way this will happen jimfields33 Nov 2020 #2

Not necessarily. There are a bunch of bills that some republicans would not want to have their name BComplex Nov 2020 #4

If we got the messaging correct, it could work jimfields33 Nov 2020 #5

No, they just wouldn't play along. Everything would be blocked in protest, until they manage tritsofme Nov 2020 #7

And this differs from the republican's intended actions in what detail? nt aka-chmeee Nov 2020 #43

If you want to advocate for a stunt that won't accomplish anything tritsofme Nov 2020 #44

And several House bills McConnell pocketed.... paleotn Nov 2020 #8

Nope. Kingofalldems Nov 2020 #56

Good. Big solution to MoscowMitch. NCjack Nov 2020 #3

This has been brought up before and it isn't going to work. onenote Nov 2020 #6

Agreed, that stunt will last for a few minutes.. Rstrstx Nov 2020 #21

We're not getting two R's on board to shaft their majority leader. onenote Nov 2020 #27

Any way they can neuter McConnell is a good way Warpy Nov 2020 #9

I agree. n/t EndlessWire Nov 2020 #26

"As Mitch McConnell will gladly tell you, tradition is not written rule." Merrick Garland, anyone? bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #10

The only problem we have is that, until January, Mitch McConnell still runs the Senate. patphil Nov 2020 #11

Not an expert on Senate rules but I think scipan Nov 2020 #23

No, the Senate is a continuing body, they do not re-adopt their rules tritsofme Nov 2020 #25

But the rules can be changed at any time with a majority vote. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #36

It requires 67 votes to change the Standing Rules of the Senate tritsofme Nov 2020 #38

And one that would be invoked in a heartbeat if Biden and Harris tried this harebrained idea. onenote Nov 2020 #59

How could the Senate enact a rule change that violates the Constitution? Foolacious Nov 2020 #46

You are ignoring another provision of the Constitution. former9thward Nov 2020 #47

So the Constitution says both that... Foolacious Nov 2020 #49

There is nothing in my copy of the Constitution that says that the VP former9thward Nov 2020 #62

Thanks for that clarification. Foolacious Nov 2020 #65

The Constitution does not give the VP authority for priority recognition. tritsofme Nov 2020 #52

I think we should do this. And even if we don't, it's a major chip to be played in exchange for TomDaisy Nov 2020 #12

Downside housecat Nov 2020 #17

Except it's not a major chip. It's some guy's internet fantasy. tritsofme Nov 2020 #33

If they try this, Bitchy Mitchy will change the Senate rules faster than you can say PING MAY sandensea Nov 2020 #13

Really? 3825-87867 Nov 2020 #20

You're right in theory - but just try suing him sandensea Nov 2020 #22

Any port in a storm! 3825-87867 Nov 2020 #24

May it work! sandensea Nov 2020 #31

The Constitution expressly gives the Senate the right to set its own rules. onenote Nov 2020 #28

The Constitution doesn't define the role of the Senate's presiding officer. tritsofme Nov 2020 #29

Really? dware Nov 2020 #32

Executive order? housecat Nov 2020 #14

If he can sign two a minute.... Retrograde Nov 2020 #16

Hand stamp housecat Nov 2020 #19

You Know That If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot.... global1 Nov 2020 #15

No they wouldn't. Because this is not actually a thing. tritsofme Nov 2020 #35

They Would Make It A Thing.... global1 Nov 2020 #45

Cheney presided over 51-49 Democratic Senate majorities twice. tritsofme Nov 2020 #55

The Party Of Trump (Now) Is Not The Party Of.... global1 Nov 2020 #57

That doesn't make this goofy plan any more viable. tritsofme Nov 2020 #58

The "Unpresidented Podcast" guys discussed that in their most recent podcast. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #18

Because, for the reasons explained in various posts, it wouldn't work. onenote Nov 2020 #30

Unless the filibuster is eliminated, floor votes can be blocked even with Harris in charge. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #34

Kick dalton99a Nov 2020 #37

If it was so simple why didn't Obama have Biden do this to get Merrick Garland a vote Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #39

Exactly!!!!! nt dware Nov 2020 #40

Did Obama play hardball? JudyM Nov 2020 #48

If Obama was going to play hardball I thought this would have been the one Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #50

Obama didn't "try" because the idea is absurd. tritsofme Nov 2020 #53

Right. That was my point. There was nothing he could do. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #61

Yes, *if* he was going to. JudyM Nov 2020 #54

A lot of magical thinking in this thread. Loki Liesmith Nov 2020 #41

Something must be done about Moscow Mitch, the grim reaper, and suspected (by me) kkk bastard. TryLogic Nov 2020 #42

... Wednesdays Nov 2020 #51

+1 onenote Nov 2020 #60

C'mon Georgia! Blue Owl Nov 2020 #63

Let it be so. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #64