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17. Isn't going to happen and wouldn't work anyway.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:34 PM
Nov 2020

Harris is not going to limit her role to sitting around the Capitol to preside whenever the Senate is in session.

And to the extent she chooses to abandon the tradition of giving the majority leader priority when it comes to recognizing a Senator to be heard, it will be simple for the Republicans, if they're in the majority, to change the rules of the Senate to require the presiding officer to give priority to the majority leader.

This could be done if she's not present by having McConnell raise a point of order suggesting that, notwithstanding the rule that says the presiding officer must recognize the first person to seek recognition, the majority leader gets priority. The friendly presiding officer denies the point of order and McConnell appeals the ruling and it merely takes a majority vote to overrule the presiding officer and change the rule (i.e., the "nuclear option&quot .

Indeed, even if Harris was in the chair, the same scenario could and would play out. McConnell would raise a point of order, Harris would deny it, and a majority of the senate would overrule her.

So this idea is a non-starter.

This message was self-deleted by its author lastlib Nov 2020 #1
Fixed. joshcryer Nov 2020 #7
thank you! lastlib Nov 2020 #9
Senate rso Nov 2020 #2
2 words... Duppers Nov 2020 #14
So what is gained by her being there and presiding? mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #3
As the link shows, she'd give priority to a Democrat. joshcryer Nov 2020 #6
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Nov 2020 #91
That would force Republicans to finally have a voting record Generic Brad Nov 2020 #69
True and if wielded correctly it could put the Republicans in a tight spot. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #75
How does this play into the rules of the senate Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #4
As the link shows Majority/Minority are not in the Senate rules. joshcryer Nov 2020 #5
Interesting. So the VP could in essence schedule a Senate Recess for Recess Appointments? TheBlackAdder Nov 2020 #8
The main power the VP has is giving priority to a Senator. joshcryer Nov 2020 #10
But doesn't Schumer, for example, have some limited ability to bring up a vote? bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #15
Cloture requires 60 votes, and the GOP is hardline. joshcryer Nov 2020 #24
The virtual filibuster is what needs to be gotten rid of. marble falls Nov 2020 #88
Both the house and senate need to agree to be in Recess bottomofthehill Nov 2020 #73
the senate has rules and the powers of the person presiding aren't all that great unblock Nov 2020 #11
It mentions she could determine the order of business ToxMarz Nov 2020 #22
Generally the senate rules committee does that unblock Nov 2020 #23
Of course, but this is for 2022, put them on the spot voting down stuff. joshcryer Nov 2020 #25
Well I certainly agree that we should be playing constitutional hardball unblock Nov 2020 #33
Plus, it would make them pull their hair out. joshcryer Nov 2020 #38
Loop Hole. Here you go. safeinOhio Nov 2020 #12
So if the VP and minority party match, they have more say - bringing up legislation, votes bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #13
See post 17 -- it won't work. onenote Nov 2020 #19
Impeach McConnell too! world wide wally Nov 2020 #16
Senators can't be impeached. onenote Nov 2020 #18
Then lock him up. world wide wally Nov 2020 #20
For what? onenote Nov 2020 #21
But they can be charged and prosecuted wnylib Nov 2020 #50
That's the question -- what crimes do you think he can be charged with onenote Nov 2020 #70
I'm not a lawyer or investigator, wnylib Nov 2020 #71
They could dig deep on the money exchanges between Mitch and China and/or Russia, and/or SA, Turkey, fwvinson Nov 2020 #85
Trump is committing treason,human rights abuses and allowing deaths by ignoring the pandemic questionseverything Nov 2020 #76
Whether a Senator can be impeached or not is sort of an unsettled question... PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #68
After 222 years, there is no chance the House will try to impeach a Senator. onenote Nov 2020 #74
Yeah really, zero chance of any Congress person being impeached presently. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2020 #89
Isn't going to happen and wouldn't work anyway. onenote Nov 2020 #17
But she couldn't be overruled by a majority of the Senate if the Senate was 50-50. TheRickles Nov 2020 #26
If the Senate is 50-50, a Democrat will end up as Majority Leader onenote Nov 2020 #28
You don't need this if it's 50-50 because Dems would have the majority. joshcryer Nov 2020 #29
They could change the rules but it would not overrule the President of the Senate's... joshcryer Nov 2020 #27
The Supreme Court will never take a case relating to an interpretation of the Senate's rules. onenote Nov 2020 #31
Neutering the Vice President's constitutional power... joshcryer Nov 2020 #35
Where in the Constitution does it say the VP has "priority recognition" power. onenote Nov 2020 #37
This would lead to a physical filibuster. joshcryer Nov 2020 #39
A majority of senators would decide the question. Nothing would be heavily debated in courts. tritsofme Nov 2020 #47
If the "majority of the senators" decided... joshcryer Nov 2020 #49
Senators can limit by rule the role of the presiding officer, and it would not be reviewable. tritsofme Nov 2020 #52
The role is already limited. joshcryer Nov 2020 #53
It would be dismissed as a political question before it could be dismissed tritsofme Nov 2020 #55
+1, uponit7771 Nov 2020 #78
But you know Bitchy Mitchy's rule on rules: sandensea Nov 2020 #32
Moscow Mitch has shown rules are not laws, tradition and decorum are gone after him uponit7771 Nov 2020 #77
i would love the democrats to be forceful backroadblast Nov 2020 #30
Same here, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2020 #34
Doesn't quite work that way... brooklynite Nov 2020 #36
The Senate rules do not give that authority. joshcryer Nov 2020 #41
I really hope this happens regardless of the balance of power in the Senate mikelgb Nov 2020 #40
VP/President of the Senate has Constitutional standing. MarcA Nov 2020 #42
The Senaate gets do define Progressive dog Nov 2020 #43
The Constitution defines the Vice President as the President of the Senate. joshcryer Nov 2020 #45
Brilliant idea! BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #44
If this was something the Vice President could do- needledriver Nov 2020 #46
because this is pie in the sky stopdiggin Nov 2020 #48
Thank you! My point exactly n/t needledriver Nov 2020 #51
What are they going to do if she waltz in there and demands to preside? joshcryer Nov 2020 #56
Mitch will just tell her to "Go to Hell" Polybius Nov 2020 #90
Because Biden followed tradition and decorum that don't exist any longer uponit7771 Nov 2020 #79
Anything that is simply a custom or norm in favor of Republicans should be ignored greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #54
Completely agree. joshcryer Nov 2020 #57
Exactly make the supreme Court.. Strictly.... define constitution uponit7771 Nov 2020 #80
We need to pickup at least one of those GA seats. roamer65 Nov 2020 #58
Mitch will block everything as long as he's the majority leader. radius777 Nov 2020 #66
Why does the Senate choose their President Pro tempore? Why couldn't the President TryLogic Nov 2020 #59
Because the Vice President doesn't show up as their Constitutionally given right to Preside? joshcryer Nov 2020 #63
Then why did President Obama & Vice President Biden do this? William769 Nov 2020 #60
Obama was the consumate bi-partisan. joshcryer Nov 2020 #62
Sorry, not buying it. William769 Nov 2020 #65
Because they were both following tradition in decorum that no longer exist after Moscow Mitch uponit7771 Nov 2020 #81
I hope we see some real hardball from this administration. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #61
It all comes down to what the rules of the Senate say Azathoth Nov 2020 #64
Yup Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #67
Moscow Mitch showed rules are'nt laws & will be changed & broken at will Constitution is law uponit7771 Nov 2020 #82
Funny how LBJ tried it and was torn apart by Senate Democrats. Marcuse Nov 2020 #72
LBJ like Obama follow rules and decorum Moscow Mitch abolished those uponit7771 Nov 2020 #83
If this was true, then VP Biden would have put forward Garland's nomination Polybius Nov 2020 #84
The real underlying problem DeSmet Nov 2020 #86
Short Answer: Joe Biden onenote Nov 2020 #87
Someone needs to! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #92
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