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Drunken Irishman

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3. Up until it happened, everyone said the EC was going to save the Democrats in 2016.

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 05:06 PM

Sep 2020

No one contemplated a situation where Hillary would win the popular vote but lose the EC. That was just not in the discussion. It only became in the discussion through Democrats neglecting three states they've relied on for years - Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan. Hillary completely wrote off Wisconsin. She personally didn't campaign in the state ONCE during the 2016 campaign. Not once. Michigan wasn't much better.

It wasn't rigged in his favor. Democrats took those states for granted and it cost 'em in that election.

We know the rules of the game, and we let the other side beat us at those rules. Trump was appealing to a significant level of support in these states and we had no counter message.

In 2012, in the final weeks of the campaign, Obama traveled to Wisconsin three times, including twice in the final week of the campaign (as well as the day before election day).

It sucks but it was the Democrats who rigged the EC by not taking those three states seriously.

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The shy Trump voter. [View all] Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 OP

The EC was rigged in shithole's favor . . Iliyah Sep 2020 #1

Up until it happened, everyone said the EC was going to save the Democrats in 2016. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #3

Nate Silver says BainsBane Sep 2020 #26

It didn't cost her the election because of Pennsylvania... Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #27

and Trump is targeting Minnesota, BainsBane Sep 2020 #28

It's possible for sure... Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #29

Obama was exceptional BainsBane Sep 2020 #30

Agree with the overall premise rufus dog Sep 2020 #2

In my old 'con leaning, well-off neighborhood, there are relatively few prez signs up yet. empedocles Sep 2020 #9

Repubs are going to vote for him, a given rufus dog Sep 2020 #11

You completely ignored the 40%+ of American voters who didn't vote in 2016. Blue_true Sep 2020 #4

I can only go by what the polls say. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #5

You do have to wonder about the undecideds at this point. TheRealNorth Sep 2020 #6

My parents are shy Biden supporters. musicblind Sep 2020 #7

Yep. I think we're going to see a lot of shy Biden voters. backscatter712 Sep 2020 #8

I think shy and silent are misleading... Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #10

I just now saw this but still wanted to answer. musicblind Sep 2020 #33

THIS rufus dog Sep 2020 #13

Great Work, But I'll Dissent With The Conclusion ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #12

Thanks for the post. I was triggered to post it by a recent Florida survey. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #14

The Shy Trump voter is a myth- it was a polling error well documented Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #15

Thanks. But did you read my post? Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #16

Did you read my post? The Rust Belt swing in Trump support was due to polling error Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #17

I did. I asked if you read my post because you're replying with an irrelevant comment. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #18

And I am suggesting that "shy" Trump voters simply weren't counted in polls Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #19

I get what you're saying. I'm saying it's irrelevant to my post. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #21

Hillary said in her book that her polling numbers were correct. betsuni Sep 2020 #20

I agree polls were largely correct. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #22

I'm assuming there'll be more early voting this time, which will help Biden. betsuni Sep 2020 #23

Plus, there's fewer undecided voters this go around - both nationally and in these three states. Drunken Irishman Sep 2020 #24

Thanks for your thoughtful BainsBane Sep 2020 #25

The elephant in the room... albacore Sep 2020 #31

I agree. Was the first election after the repeal of the Voting Rights Act. betsuni Sep 2020 #32