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JI7

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Mon Sep 7, 2020, 04:56 AM Sep 2020

California's blackouts present an example of what not to do [View all]

<The cause of California’s problem was simple: There wasn’t enough electricity to meet everyone’s needs. With more people staying indoors to avoid the coronavirus and a heat wave sweeping the region, electricity demand spiked.

Right now, California relies on wind and solar power for roughly a third of its electricity. Just when people needed electricity the most, the sun stopped shining, the wind stopped blowing — and over 1,200 megawatts of electricity suddenly became unavailable. Admittedly, some of this shortage was due to an unexpected malfunction in some natural gas plants, but much of it was from wind and solar going M.I.A.

Since the sun sets each day, this was expected for solar power. Every night, the disappearing sun takes with it thousands of megawatts of electricity, and it’s a problem that solar plants in California have had for years. Of course, the state has always been able to force other plants to ramp up production quickly to compensate. It’s an expensive strain on the entire system, but it gets consumers through the night. And, in this case, the wind that usually blows through the night simply stopped blowing, removing 1,000 megawatts of electricity — enough to power nearly a million homes.

Here’s the rub: Neither the setting sun nor the calm weather would have been a problem if the state had had sufficient backup power. Wind and solar power, because they depend on the weather, must be backed up by reliable power sources. However, California has spent years closing the very plants capable of backing up and accommodating this variability.

In 2013, California closed a nuclear plant that generated over 2,000 megawatts of emissions-free electricity. This is enough power that, were the plant still running today, the recent blackout wouldn’t have happened. In the same time span, California lost over 6,000 megawatts of natural gas-fired electricity — over four times the shortfall that triggered the blackout. Natural gas plants are unique in their importance to the modern grid in that they can alter electricity generation quickly to accommodate fluctuations in wind and solar energy output.

California regulators are doubling down on these closures instead of wisely understanding that, without reliable backup power, wind and solar are a liability for a stable grid. They’re going to close the state’s last remaining nuclear power plant in 2025, taking even more reliable, emissions-free power out of the equation.>


https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/514955-californias-blackouts-present-an-example-of-what-not-to-do

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The essential problem is that there are too many people. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2020 #1
But are there countries with lower population that are completely able to rely on solar and wind ? JI7 Sep 2020 #2
Who? former9thward Sep 2020 #18
Obviously, we must find volunteers to sacrifice themselves to keep the A/C on for the more deserving BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #3
Thank you. I don't feel like volunteering to die; the notion is so very Trumpian... Hekate Sep 2020 #5
So I checked the author, turns out he is from the SHOW-ME INSTITUTE, which has ties to KOCH BROS.and BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #4
Well well well. Too right he can eff off. Hekate Sep 2020 #6
I think the point is still a good one. And Nuclear Energy is Clean . JI7 Sep 2020 #7
NO. SophieJean Sep 2020 #9
YES former9thward Sep 2020 #19
Nope. You need to figure a way to store excess energy and over-build renewables. coti Sep 2020 #27
Thank you SophieJean Sep 2020 #8
Nuclear Energy doesn't release greenhouse gasses. I didn't blame Wind and Solar for the problem JI7 Sep 2020 #10
Do you live in California? I do. We have these things called "earthquakes". No thanks. BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #11
Yes, I live in California . And Nuclear energy is a form of clean Energy JI7 Sep 2020 #12
Provided you ignore all the emissions Miguelito Loveless Sep 2020 #15
And creating solar and wind doesn't make those emissions? former9thward Sep 2020 #20
They make them once, Miguelito Loveless Sep 2020 #25
I lived in California for over a decade a while back, and I agree with you. crickets Sep 2020 #26
the nuclear power plant thing came and went already in California, without MAJOR new developments in BamaRefugee Sep 2020 #29
Its the grid judeling Sep 2020 #13
Why is it hard to make it economical ? Doesn't France do it ? JI7 Sep 2020 #16
We have nuclear in Illinois. former9thward Sep 2020 #22
The United States built more than 100 nuclear plants in about 25 years, providing the cheapest... NNadir Sep 2020 #23
No mention of hydroelectric. The Wizard Sep 2020 #14
No, but that was reduced by the anti-dam movement. n/t Igel Sep 2020 #24
Why is no pumped storage being built? California has lots of mountains. Klaralven Sep 2020 #17
Yup. nt coti Sep 2020 #28
Wow! Somebody besides me is saying this. NNadir Sep 2020 #21
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