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Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
14. I'll go a step farther - he has extremely limited executive reasoning abilities
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jul 2020

And, beyond what his ego would or would not allow him to admit - impaired executive function makes it impossible for him to even recognize his deficit.

My spouse has impaired executive function (diagnosed). I struggled, for years, to make her understand she was impaired and to get tested in case it was something that could be easily remedied. All that happened was that she got angry, insisted I was wrong, etc. There are times she has told stories about things that happened to me in the first person. When I correct her, she is sure they happened to her. But as to anything that requires complex thought - she believes her reasoning to be perfect and mine flawed. When the flawed reasoning shows up, and it is something that matters (it will cost a significant amount of money, or impair legal rights, for example), when she can't follow the logic she just gets mad and tell me to do it. It was not until after her diagnosis that I was able to understand that she wasn't in denial, in the classic sense - she was merely incapable of recognizing reality. So - unless there is an important reason to impose reality on her, I just try to live in her world.

But - this is the same behavior described by Trump's inner circle when they have to reason with him. When something takes any level of complex thought, or tries to make him recognize the reality of the consequences of what he is doing, he just gets angry, yells, stomps off, etc.

Your issue was aural memory - which you have the executive reasoning skills to recognize and compensate for.

While I don't disagree with Trump having a massive ego, because his executive function is so impaired, he is literally incapable of recognizing how flawed he is.

Thank you for sharing that chia Jul 2020 #1
Everyone I know has said when they turned 65 they had this test. blueinredohio Jul 2020 #2
I didnt have it, and I will be 70 next month. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #20
Maybe depends on the medical group. blueinredohio Jul 2020 #21
I hold the GOP Snackshack Jul 2020 #3
I made it through two doctoral degrees with visual (photographic memory), so I'm with you on aural hlthe2b Jul 2020 #4
I have a tendency to drift off when Tracer Jul 2020 #5
I'm with you. I am now retired. I don't need to know the day, date, or time. There's in2herbs Jul 2020 #7
I had the same problem. greymattermom Jul 2020 #6
Yes exactly and at my age PCIntern Jul 2020 #8
He doesn't realize any normal two-year-old can identify Hortensis Jul 2020 #9
See my note here. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #15
Yes. "because his executive function is so impaired, Hortensis Jul 2020 #19
Easier than prior to diagnosis - Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #22
My short-term memory has always been awful. malthaussen Jul 2020 #10
Thank you for sharing this! OneGrassRoot Jul 2020 #11
Ha! OneGrassRoot Jul 2020 #13
I'm gonna guess that this situation does not affect your professional career GusBob Jul 2020 #12
Exactly correct in all regards. PCIntern Jul 2020 #17
I'll go a step farther - he has extremely limited executive reasoning abilities Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #14
Now that I think about it, I have taken this test several times. Doreen Jul 2020 #16
It's not the performance that worries me, it's that he said it was hard. It's not hard. bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #18
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