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madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:27 AM Jul 2020

Penzeys Spices has no more F***s to give and lets it all hang out [View all]

I received this email this morning. I feel I can post the whole thing since Penzeys has encouraged people to repost it on FB.

FWIW, Penzeys has great spices.

This statement followed information about a sale they're having.

.....And tales of Dragons and Karens. One of the saddest parts to this time we are living through is that there is no way out of it without, on some level, fighting. There was a time when the question of: “Have you no decency” actually meant something to an out of control Republican because somewhere deep down they had some. In these days where unlimited political spending has seized control of the Republican Party, any decency has sadly departed. For any politician to allow trillions of dollars in damage to our environment, simply because it makes their donors billions, decency has long since left the building.

So fight we must. But we must also guard against all that fight sets in motion. There is the idea that in fighting dragons we put ourselves at risk of becoming what it is we set out to fight, and that if we fight long enough that outcome becomes inescapable. I get this, but I also believe that this is where we as Cooks have the strength to last a good bit longer before we become lost. It’s good to try and always remember that it’s not the voters of the Republican Party that we are fighting, it’s the inhumanity that has overtaken them.

To survive overturning this inhumanity that has overwhelmed seemingly 40% of American voters, now more than ever we need the daily connection to our own humanity that cooking brings. As humans nothing has shaped us more than the last million years spent together gathered around the fire cooking and sharing food with those we hold close. When we cook today, even if just for ourselves, every little step, every added ingredient reconnects us to this million-year tradition of kindness. And then there are the flavors, and the way those flavors tell the stories of our lives. Cooking is good stuff. Kindness matters.

Which brings us to this Karen meme. If you are unaware, there is this thing now where it’s become trendy to label people, mostly white women, who inflict Republican values on those around them with the name “Karen.” Can we as Cooks maybe work to help stop this? It’s not productive, but it is most certainly mean. Here is an email excerpt from a customer named Karen I received this weekend. She says it well:

“My name is Karen. Covid-19 has forced me to stay in California while my father is in New Jersey, dying of cancer. Like many people in similarly heart-breaking positions, I am barely holding it together. Last night I checked my email to find a local restaurant was boasting that they'd created a 'Karen' cocktail that would make you want to speak to the manager. I lost it. I wound up crying myself to sleep.”

Karen went on to share the stories of others named Karen also going through struggles while having to be regularly confronted by the cruelty of strangers. Karen asked me if I could try to help. So here I am. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia all at their core have people facing cruelty for issues beyond their choosing. This Karen meme lives in the very same place. Nothing good will come of this.

Yes, people who intentionally voted a “textbook” racist in the White House despite him being bankrupt in most every sense of the word need to be called out for what they did. What makes this Black Lives Matters moment so transformative is that for the first time the cost of racism is no longer only being paid by those on the receiving end, but finally those creating the racism are finding themselves being canceled out for their actions. This is a very good thing. But as much as we have to call out Republican voters for their cruelty we also have to guard against that cruelty taking hold of us as well. This Karen meme is us losing that struggle. Please stop it.

Honestly with just who Cooks are I don’t see a lot of you calling people not named Karen, Karens. But the reality is that not all our allies in this struggle share the gifts that the kindness of cooking brings to our lives. As someone who does cook you have far more influence over those you interact with than you most likely imagine. A gentle yet firm reminder from you can help get the ball rolling here. The truth is 11.3.20 isn’t the finish line for the struggle we are in, but more like the starting gate. If we are already growing scales and breathing fire we will ourselves be dragons long before this fight is won. This all matters too much. Be Kind. Choose Love.


And we did extend this offer another day to end Wednesday instead of today which helped us keep pace with the orders coming in, but orders placed today at penzeys.com for delivery most likely still won’t start shipping for another ten days. If you have the option to place an order for touchless pickup in one of our stores, they are pretty much caught up. But if mail order works better for you, orders ship in the order received so there’s lots to be said for placing one today and beating the rush that tomorrow’s midnight deadline is sure to bring.

Either way be sure to enter Love in the apply code box at checkout. Choosing Love is what this time needs.

Be kind to Karens! Thanks,


Bill
[email protected]

P.S. July is not the month for us to advertise on Facebook, but feel free to post any of our emails if you like or to forward emails directly to those you know who might like them. And if this email did not come from us but was forwarded by someone else, please sign up here. A business is only as good as its customers. You would make us even better. And seriously please stay safe. You are needed. Thanks.


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Meh, they kinda lost the thread on this one. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #1
The Karen meme is ugly misogyny. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #5
... handmade34 Jul 2020 #10
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not misogyny. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11
You are wrong. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #17
It's true, the same word can be used in in a misogynistic context as well as a context that is not WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #24
+1 n/t Tommymac Jul 2020 #81
That's the problem. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #127
Well said. mia Jul 2020 #36
Yes, I so agree! LisaM Jul 2020 #105
So disappointing. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #129
Assigning one common name to it despite valid objections, claiming it is gender neutral, ... Hekate Jul 2020 #132
Pretty sure I didn't claim it was gender-neutral? White women play a specific role in white WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137
It's a valid meme. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #39
"Karen" has become a replacement term for "Bitch" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #45
Fail, see post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #52
Yes, these threads are very telling. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #54
YOu are wrong, and have zero right to call us faux feminist obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #64
I have the right as a woman and a POC to call it as I see it. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #68
Thank you! Check this out, too... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #108
+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #110
Central Park Cathy aka Dog-Walking Debby tried to get that man killed & I said that... Hekate Jul 2020 #134
This whole thread is pissing me off. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #130
Nope! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #85
Yes, these threads are telling. It has indeed become synonymous with "Bitch"... Hekate Jul 2020 #133
Lol, no it is not! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #87
Yup, there's no male equivalent and never will or can be obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #61
My name is John, the use of "Karen" is not high on my priority list of modern problems. CCExile Jul 2020 #74
And I'm sure all that guys who go by Bubba or are named Dick ms liberty Jul 2020 #118
100% agree, stupid idea! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #83
Shall we call racist white women Fred? Robert? Harry? George II Jul 2020 #111
How about we call them racists. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #119
Totally disagree. BComplex Jul 2020 #147
The Karen meme is the ultimate irony: cruel stereotyping to label a cruel stereotyper. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #12
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not a cruel stereotype. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #13
Agreed. So let's use a descriptive label such as "asshole" instead of a name that millions lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #14
But it means something more specific than asshole. PTWB Jul 2020 #19
OK how about "racist asshole?" Or do you have something against everybody named "Karen?" lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #29
That doesn't even make sense. PTWB Jul 2020 #37
Thanks for pointing that out. Use of persons' names as insults is disgusting behavior. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #38
Is it? PTWB Jul 2020 #42
How is that even a question? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #43
Do you think anyone with an alternate name meaning is really that offended? PTWB Jul 2020 #49
"Karen" could end up being the "George Floyd" of the anti-name-shaming movement. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #51
What's wrong with naming and shaming? PTWB Jul 2020 #60
"Naming and Shaming" is about being SPECIFIC Hekate Jul 2020 #135
Exactly! PTWB Jul 2020 #138
You cannot POSSBLY be serious StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #90
It appears that's exactly what happened. PTWB Jul 2020 #109
Get a hold of yourself. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #113
How about all the Barbies and Kens in the world? luvtheGWN Jul 2020 #72
"Karen" is much more descriptive than "asshole." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20
"Karen" is actually not descriptive AT ALL. It is a name shared by diverse millions of women, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #30
No one is "trying to tar" every person named Karen, any more than the term "Peeping Tom" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #35
Agree chia Jul 2020 #69
Especially Since RobinA Jul 2020 #57
1.4 people with the name Karen in the U.S? pamela Jul 2020 #47
No. It is utterly valid. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #40
Do we want to emulate the behavior of the racist/sexist name-calling assholes we hate so much? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #41
See post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #53
So that's one "yes" vote. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #55
Exactly. Karen isn't the new b-word. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #50
Tiy are wrong -- it is literally being used as bitch obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #67
No, it's focused on entitlement gollygee Jul 2020 #82
No, it literally is. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #152
If you recognize the picture of that woman gollygee Jul 2020 #153
If you recognize the term below that picture, MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #155
I'm no fan of the b-word gollygee Jul 2020 #156
The point being the context is getting lost. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #158
I saw that post gollygee Jul 2020 #159
It's getting used for "an opinionated woman" too muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #161
Exactly Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #128
It's complicated SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2020 #104
So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white? Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #139
"So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white?" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #141
The OP talked about a woman named Karen Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #142
Oppression is not a competition, but when it comes to white women crying over the misuse of WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145
Okay, thank you for confirming my point. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #146
The owners need prescriptions for this: Laelth Jul 2020 #2
Omg....... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 secondwind Jul 2020 #9
Damn JustGene Jul 2020 #21
I don't remember "Dammitol." Laelth Jul 2020 #28
My Mom JustGene Jul 2020 #34
I remember an ad for "Dammitol" - might have been Firesign Theater or Dr Demento or SNL. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #31
:-) Blecht Jul 2020 #27
hahahaha chia Jul 2020 #71
When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #3
+1 n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #4
+1 PunkinPi Jul 2020 #7
Yep. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #8
+1 Jirel Jul 2020 #23
+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #26
IKR? StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #48
Yep irisblue Jul 2020 #96
spot on chia Jul 2020 #73
Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #86
Oh, hello again! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #102
Good one! Are you paid hourly or are you on celery? Let' stalk about it! George II Jul 2020 #112
Yes indeed! Lettuce get together sometime. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #114
Yup, And for cinnamon lovers, if you've not had their Vietnamese cinnamon, you've never had cinnamon hlthe2b Jul 2020 #6
i love Penzey's and have supported them barbtries Jul 2020 #15
See post #17 for why "Karen" is a bad way to identify white racist women. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #18
"Karenism" is being used to target both all white women and all women. Hortensis Jul 2020 #32
Individualism vs. collectivism gollygee Jul 2020 #89
I believe in collective solutions but not concepts of collective guilt, Hortensis Jul 2020 #120
This has nothing to do with guilt gollygee Jul 2020 #121
Through the karenism dynamic. Remember the OP. Hortensis Jul 2020 #123
The Karen meme has nothing to do with collective guilt. nt gollygee Jul 2020 #124
Great addition. I'm reminded of the course I took on the psychology of prejudice and discrimination chia Jul 2020 #125
Got the same email... Heartstrings Jul 2020 #16
Whoever wrote this lost their touch. Jirel Jul 2020 #22
Your Kyle and Chad don't seem to be happening on DU seaglass Jul 2020 #79
+1 Silent3 Jul 2020 #122
Yes, because dog knows DU is definitive for the rest of the billions on the internet Celerity Jul 2020 #136
Ohhh you got me there. seaglass Jul 2020 #143
Penzey's has been standing up for decency for a long time now. Hortensis Jul 2020 #25
I don't know... The "Karen" pushback seems more like a control issue. ecstatic Jul 2020 #33
Loooooooove me some Penzey Spices Baltimike Jul 2020 #44
Instead of talking about systemic racism, let's once again talk about the poor suffering "Karens." StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #46
It is not about poor suffering "Karens" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #56
We can't make any inroads against racism unless we stop centering the comfort of White women gollygee Jul 2020 #58
Perfectly said StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #63
⏫⏫this⏫⏫ irisblue Jul 2020 #98
It's about who we are. Do we want to be the good guys, or do we want to sling sexist labels, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #59
This whole thread is about the "poor Karens" StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #62
It really isn't about misogyny and sexism. It's about white entitlement behavior chia Jul 2020 #78
+1,000 chia Jul 2020 #77
I've been making large orders Warpy Jul 2020 #65
This morning my wife called me a "dick" padfun Jul 2020 #66
thank you. and when they upsurped my hawiian shirts as a raciest signal, that pissed me royaly off. AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #70
Have adored Penxey's for many years. We are fortunate here to have, not only PenzetY's, but niyad Jul 2020 #75
And their spices are good. AllyCat Jul 2020 #76
Any white women want to trade lives with a black man for a bit? IronLionZion Jul 2020 #80
Saw a simple solution to this posted on DU elsewhere wcollar Jul 2020 #84
This is not a DU-based meme gollygee Jul 2020 #88
Switching one woman's name for another reveals the hollowness of the anti-Karen-meme argument chia Jul 2020 #91
+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #92
You're assuming the suggestion was made by someone who believes the meme is misogynistic. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #93
I love Penzeys! Great company if you are looking for spices and because they are one of US! flying_wahini Jul 2020 #94
another term would have worked better: Barbie, Ivanka, etc. Not that hard. Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #95
What is the difference between using those names and using Karen? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #97
Nothing StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #99
It's kinda funny to see Karen countered with another name chia Jul 2020 #103
"This makes me uncomfortable, therefore it is oppression" gollygee Jul 2020 #106
Yes, it makes some white people uncomfortable - and then they double down into full blown Karenness StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #115
Well said! chia Jul 2020 #117
refers to far fewer and those made of plastic Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #116
"Barbie" is a doll; there can be practically no people with that as their full name muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #154
Why does it matter how common it is? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #157
Because of the number of people who don't have the characteristics that are being disparaged muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #160
I Ingersollman Jul 2020 #100
What Is The Deal? usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #101
Bill is a hell of a writer. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2020 #107
the first part is very well said Hamlette Jul 2020 #126
Bill Penzey is completely right. Whatever happened to BBQ Becky & other monikers associated ... Hekate Jul 2020 #131
So... you're saying using any of those other names is different than using Karen? chia Jul 2020 #144
I urge you to read again what I said & have been saying for some time... Hekate Jul 2020 #148
My apologies for not having read your posts often enough to be familiar with what you've been saying chia Jul 2020 #151
This is going to trigger a few people here. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #140
I call those affluent entitled women Muffy. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #149
Biff 'n' Muffy -- doesn't that just say entitlement & prep school & gated community? Hekate Jul 2020 #150
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