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63. Why not do both?

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Tearing down Confederate statues I can understand. But Ulysses S. Grant? [View all] jcmaine72 Jun 2020 OP

'We're' into tearing EVERYTHING down now, it seems. elleng Jun 2020 #1

In San Francisco someone last night defaced statues of poets and other non political figures In kimbutgar Jun 2020 #11

We may be in a situation where only from the ashes of oppression can we rebuild in equality. PTWB Jun 2020 #22

Maybe. elleng Jun 2020 #28

No pummeling at all. I agree completely. Recently read that Grant's autobiography is.... EarnestPutz Jun 2020 #2

The 3 part docudrama on tv recently was excellent. kimbutgar Jun 2020 #13

Very good MoonlitKnight Jun 2020 #35

He got obstructed by Congress kimbutgar Jun 2020 #37

Yep MoonlitKnight Jun 2020 #41

It was written Sgent Jun 2020 #52

Autobiography. EarnestPutz Jun 2020 #66

Clemmons was the Sgent Jun 2020 #67

Ta-Nahesi Coates wrote about this in "The Atlantic" and dismissed the question of.... EarnestPutz Jun 2020 #68

It is irrational, indeed. Music Man Jun 2020 #3

Do you know exactly who tore that particular statue down? Mariana Jun 2020 #4

I Could See That As A Counter Protest ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #6

That's what I think. Mariana Jun 2020 #12

That is a blatantly dishonest portrayal of my post. jcmaine72 Jun 2020 #16

I Understand Your Reaction ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #25

Are there any 100 foot plus statues of Confederates or the Founding Father's? Polybius Jun 2020 #5

This is starting to remind me of the Talban blowing up Raine Jun 2020 #7

This. Dial H For Hero Jun 2020 #19

We do seem to be moving sarisataka Jun 2020 #20

No historical figure or culture can live up to modern sensibilities Amishman Jun 2020 #50

How to lose friends and elections 101 superpatriotman Jun 2020 #8

+1 DTomlinson Jun 2020 #61

Sheesh Grant was anti-slave even though his wife's family wasn't. jmg257 Jun 2020 #9

Grants father was anti-slavery. His father-in-law owned slaves and his bride was... brush Jun 2020 #33

Ah thanks for the correction! jmg257 Jun 2020 #38

Actually, Grant's father was an abolitionist coti Jun 2020 #40

Might be people who don't know history and thought the statue was of a Confederate. Kaleva Jun 2020 #10

More likely that some Neo-Confederates knew exactly who it was Mariana Jun 2020 #14

Oh come on. tritsofme Jun 2020 #17

Never attribute to cunning zipplewrath Jun 2020 #18

That's what I was thinking. Aristus Jun 2020 #45

That might be but they should take a few minutes to look it up on the internet Raine Jun 2020 #51

The answer is, "NO." UncleTomsEvilBrother Jun 2020 #15

Dude launched an illegal war against the Lakota after trying paternalistic assimilationism. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #21

We shouldn't forget the hanging of 39 Dakota fighters Lincoln signed off on. Kaleva Jun 2020 #23

Absolutely. I posted about it last December, but there's never a bad time to remember it. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #26

AMEN PTWB Jun 2020 #24

When held to the standards of today. Kaleva Jun 2020 #27

Yes, when held to the standards of today. PTWB Jun 2020 #30

Tear down all monuments to FDR, then? Really? Dial H For Hero Jun 2020 #34

How about Lincoln who approved the execution of 39 Dakota Freedom Fighters? Kaleva Jun 2020 #36

What about him? PTWB Jun 2020 #39

The domination of our nation by some white males is our history. Kaleva Jun 2020 #42

No one is saying we shouldn't teach Lincoln's contribution. PTWB Jun 2020 #48

How about do something substantive about the lives of oppressed people rather than symbolic crap DTomlinson Jun 2020 #57

Why not do both? PTWB Jun 2020 #63

Tear down the enormous DC monument to arguably our coti Jun 2020 #47

Haha, nice. DTomlinson Jun 2020 #58

Did enslaved people have different standards than people do today? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #49

He also helped win the Civil War and oversaw successful Reconstruction before it was rolled back. DTomlinson Jun 2020 #56

Maybe statues aren't the best way to tell the complicated history of someone's actions. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #60

You are correct. Grant didn't buy the enslaved man, did work side by side with him in the field... brush Jun 2020 #29

I agree rockfordfile Jun 2020 #31

Someone is working hard to help us lose the November election. jalan48 Jun 2020 #32

Was it Grant who banned Jews from Kansas? (Edit: it was other states) ExciteBike66 Jun 2020 #43

Yes. the General Order was rescinded after a public outcry. Aristus Jun 2020 #46

Pretty well agreed, at least with regard to black civil rights coti Jun 2020 #44

When less than half of people can name one SC justice, I doubt many even know who the statues are MichMan Jun 2020 #53

All this statue toppling has brought me around to this... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #54

No. DTomlinson Jun 2020 #59

Yes. PTWB Jun 2020 #64

Aside from the Confederate statutes, this is symbolic nonsense/an excuse for vandalism. DTomlinson Jun 2020 #55

Well maybe we should make it against the law and arrest everybody! 2naSalit Jun 2020 #62

I suppose you think we should allow statues of Columbus to stand? PTWB Jun 2020 #65

This behavior is exactly why melm00se Jun 2020 #69