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Igel

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15. The distrust is there.

Fri Apr 10, 2020, 03:22 PM

Apr 2020

The burden of proof is on providing evidence that a given shipment of masks or ventilators was taken and redistributed to where it was needed.

For that they'd need identifying marks.

And have to overcome the suspicion of having that information falsified.

They'd have to find enough evidence that there'd be no choice but accept it as proving the claim that nothing nefarious happened, but the bar would just be raised higher and higher--and if the case were made for one incident, then there'd be 20 others to repeat the game with. It just takes one fact to let a person believe, but scores to deny a person that belief.

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A relief organization is stripping their labels off boxes to avoid being confiscated by FEMA. [View all] Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 OP

Good gawd! pandr32 Apr 2020 #1

It also points to a huge trust issue... Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #3

Destroying the People's faith in government is a GOP goal. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #13

The distrust is there. Igel Apr 2020 #15

Yes, and they're maybe halfway there appalachiablue Apr 2020 #50

It's also one of Putin's goals. nt Starfury Apr 2020 #57

You make critical important point that is being overlooked. olegramps Apr 2020 #68

Adolf used nationalism and religion, too, wnylib Apr 2020 #69

This! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #51

What's in those boxes, son? rustysgurl Apr 2020 #2

"It's just a bunch of oxycontin...certainly not PPE or anything..." htuttle Apr 2020 #4

Cocaine... DBoon Apr 2020 #5

I'd label them embalming supplies. Historic NY Apr 2020 #6

History books, dictionaries (nt) klook Apr 2020 #67

I thought Newsomes announcement about masks was ill advised. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #7

I was kind of cringing when he was giving out the numbers, myself. It's great to hear, but you gotta C Moon Apr 2020 #10

It would be great if someone, or some agency were to do a sting. Ship a bunch of PPE and put liberalla Apr 2020 #18

Barr would be all over prosecuting that. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #23

It isn't illegal to ship GPS trackers. Along with other things. Squinch Apr 2020 #63

Yes a sting would be great! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #53

That would be a GREAT idea! Squinch Apr 2020 #62

the governors he's not blackmailing bluescribbler Apr 2020 #39

Label them "copies of the Constitution". They'll never be touched. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #8

Or "textbooks". n/t Mr.Bill Apr 2020 #29

Yep. calimary Apr 2020 #44

They would just burn them. Lochloosa Apr 2020 #61

No kidding! calimary Apr 2020 #40

+1 ck4829 Apr 2020 #74

FEMA will next have dogs trained for sniffing out PPE. C Moon Apr 2020 #9

ProPublica would love to hear about this jayschool2013 Apr 2020 #11

I suggested to my son that... Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #24

Great. jayschool2013 Apr 2020 #43

F E M A moonseller66 Apr 2020 #12

Can the governor's use the National Guard to protect this stuff? I heard.. Hotler Apr 2020 #58

I'm sure there are a ton of people DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #14

So, when they are conficated Bettie Apr 2020 #16

He's stealing paid for goods 2naSalit Apr 2020 #19

That's what I thought Bettie Apr 2020 #21

That's exactly what they are doing 2naSalit Apr 2020 #22

That's a chilling possibility. And that is definitely not American. n/t Beartracks Apr 2020 #54

Nope. But it is straight out of pootin's playbook... 2naSalit Apr 2020 #56

It's fun to think the confiscated medical supplies will be given at the place with the most need, spike jones Apr 2020 #20

Good! 2naSalit Apr 2020 #17

Good that FEMA is confiscating PPE from relief organizations? Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #28

Good that the relief orgs 2naSalit Apr 2020 #31

I felt weird being circumspect with details here. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #33

It's a coup no matter how you look at it... 2naSalit Apr 2020 #38

Yes - also... lame54 Apr 2020 #25

Yes, classic bait and switch. Maybe Newsom spoke so freely as a distraction.... machoneman Apr 2020 #30

+1 2naSalit Apr 2020 #32

Shouldn't confiscated be in quotes? ... aggiesal Apr 2020 #26

Yes, it should be. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #36

Sensible, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #27

I think it's safe to say the WH branch of the federal govt has gone rogue ffr Apr 2020 #34

They also want to have power to extract favors spooky3 Apr 2020 #59

Very disgusting ck4829 Apr 2020 #75

Maybe people are going to have to deliver PPE themselves to prevent stealing blueinredohio Apr 2020 #35

Disgustingly, unforgivably believeable!! bobbieinok Apr 2020 #37

hem AllaN01Bear Apr 2020 #41

Trump is a monster and he has unleashed a hell on earth. Botany Apr 2020 #42

racketeering ahlnord Apr 2020 #45

K&R. nt Wednesdays Apr 2020 #46

Merely the next step. Mopar151 Apr 2020 #47

Patriot act I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2020 #48

My friend did 39 months on that bogus law. Mopar151 Apr 2020 #60

Thank your son for me. I hope other agencies follow suit. Hekate Apr 2020 #49

Would it be possible for them to contact the governor's office Flaleftist Apr 2020 #52

There seems to be some question whether FEMA is doing this internally. Hoyt Apr 2020 #55

Jesus. I do not recognize my country. So either it IS FEMA and they are lying to us, Squinch Apr 2020 #64

That's the problem with a loss of trust. Who knows? Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #66

Please let us know if it worked wryter2000 Apr 2020 #65

Here's why: How a stockpile of 39 million masks was exposed as fake" Hekate Apr 2020 #70

I just don't get it. EndlessWire Apr 2020 #71

K&R ck4829 Apr 2020 #73