General Discussion

empedocles

(15,751 posts)

162. Yesterday, of all the people key to the House whistleblower hearing, an odd one stood out on fox.

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:27 PM

Sep 2019

fox prominently used AOC, who played no significant role that I know of, in augmenting the negative fox platform on the whistleblower/ Schiff hearings.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

169 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Jennifer Rubin: "Pelosi was right to wait" [View all] StarfishSaver Sep 2019 OP

I know Jennifer Rubin is a conservative at heart, but IMO, she's been one of the best hlthe2b Sep 2019 #1

Yes. Her, Anna Navarro, Rick Wilson have been throwing head shots at Trump from Day 1. Blue_true Sep 2019 #67

K&R BootinUp Sep 2019 #2

I also like her bdamomma Sep 2019 #3

Pelosi Knows What She's Doing Indykatie Sep 2019 #4

I agree she's handled this terrifically. Pressure from the left was also helpful. femmedem Sep 2019 #5

+1 StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #8

Our pleasure, happy to serve a great cause. saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #76

I disagree on the value of the far left in this instance. They, plain and simple, were a Blue_true Sep 2019 #70

:) A perversely misogynistic distraction. While Fox claims Hortensis Sep 2019 #96

And they totally ignored the fact that the seven were part of the rollout Pelosi StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #105

Right. And they did splendidly by playing a very Hortensis Sep 2019 #114

Yes. They did StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #116

It is deeply disappointing to me on how mysogony exists on the left. Blue_true Sep 2019 #137

This affair shows why the loose cannons in our democratic left should not be celebrated. Blue_true Sep 2019 #68

Pelosi was playing 3 dimensional chess Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #6

And how many people here mocked that concept? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #7

Not nearly enough melman Sep 2019 #20

... betsuni Sep 2019 #54

Good one ! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #101

Not really! Cha Sep 2019 #141

Many, too many. We now know that Pelosi is a shrewd politician, we're lucky she's on our side. George II Sep 2019 #39

The DU members that pounded Speaker Pelosi as weak on impeachment have gone to cover. Blue_true Sep 2019 #72

Now some of them are claiming she was just lucky StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #73

Yeah. Skilled tactical execution always looks like luck to the uninformed. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #75

Yep. StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #79

I've exceed my max time saidsimplesimon Sep 2019 #80

i did. but reaction to a lucky bounce is important too. she did the right thing. That's admirable Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #88

Very abrasive! They should at the very least fess up and admit they were wrong Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #77

Especially the ones who insisted that Nancy Pelosi actively opposed impeachment dansolo Sep 2019 #165

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Sep 2019 #28

Thanks Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #69

So many on this board mocked that idea mcar Sep 2019 #51

welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2019 #61

Thanks Dem4Life1102 Sep 2019 #71

sure have fun while you are here gopiscrap Sep 2019 #124

K&R DesertRat Sep 2019 #9

Since his crimes have mounted in severity over the past 2 years, ecstatic Sep 2019 #10

Oh yeah. When she is done with politics, the books that she write should be required reading. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #74

Yes! What it all boils down to was waiting for trump Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #110

"Holding off on impeachment until the Ukraine scandal popped up..." Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #11

Thank you. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #36

It can seem that way but, Wash. state Desk Jet Sep 2019 #128

Interjecting fact...80% of Dems were for Impeachment in December 2018 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #112

This way was the only way for a chance of convicting the grifter in the Senate. yellowcanine Sep 2019 #12

I think Romney/Kasich will be the GOP ticket 2020 at140 Sep 2019 #55

If Trump is out it will be a bloodbath. Pence will fight for the yellowcanine Sep 2019 #65

If Trump drowns, Pence goes down with him at140 Sep 2019 #135

I have a couple problems. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #13

? StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #15

From the article. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #16

I think you've missed the entire point StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #17

I agree with almost everything you say, athena Sep 2019 #18

That 'impatience' is costly. Rw'ers use it a lot - because it helps a lot. trump is not winning empedocles Sep 2019 #58

I don't think it's "unfair" at all. Not the Cha Sep 2019 #62

Disagree... if she continues to behave this way she will never climb in the ranks of leadership Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #84

This StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #98

Yes, if she wants to come to the table, then she's got to prove herself as more than just Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #117

Brilliant advice for AOC, kasper! Cha Sep 2019 #119

Thx Cha! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #127

But what if there is a bigger, juicier, worse scandal coming in a week or two? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #19

I doubt too many Members who didn't support impeachment before got on board because AOC yelled StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #23

The antipathy toward pelosi in this exchange is amazing BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #47

You underestimate Speaker Pelosi and overestimate AOC Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #85

Yeah, she "got lucky" - no skill involved at all. ehrnst Sep 2019 #145

Thank you for your voice of sanity! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #82

A sure sign is that she's been virtually invisible since Pelosi's annoincement StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #150

Has AOC Opened An Office Yet For Her Constituents Me. Sep 2019 #95

Yesterday, of all the people key to the House whistleblower hearing, an odd one stood out on fox. empedocles Sep 2019 #162

Granted, the article says waiting for the Ukraine scandal to pop up. wryter2000 Sep 2019 #31

At this point, I also don't think he'll be convicted in the Senate BUT StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #37

Agreed wryter2000 Sep 2019 #49

No. I am not convinced (or even very hopeful) that the Senate will convict stopdiggin Sep 2019 #33

1. She knew he would eventually hang himself because corruption is his way of life. She was waiting emmaverybo Sep 2019 #132

I appreciate that AOC et al kept the concept of impeachment in the public eye... Wounded Bear Sep 2019 #14

But Ms Pelosi knows her shit peggysue2 Sep 2019 #22

I'd be more wiling to give AOC, et all more credit if their agitating had been directed at educating StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #24

Agreed! peggysue2 Sep 2019 #25

I wasn't aware AOC had said that wryter2000 Sep 2019 #34

Here's her tweet: George II Sep 2019 #121

Yes.. she owes Nancy and the Dems Cha Sep 2019 #63

i certainly wouldn't go that far. we're all on the same team. Should the speaker apologize to AOC Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #78

That's your opinion. Nancy Pelosi owes her nothing Cha Sep 2019 #81

and that's your opinion. yours isn't any more important than mine. and vice versa Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #83

Nancy Pelosi has always had Cha Sep 2019 #86

That's fantasy. a few good breaks and pelosi reacted with authority. I'm proud of her. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #91

All you have is an insult. Cha Sep 2019 #92

That's all you have too.. I've got an opinion so do you. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #94

Did I say yours was "fantasy"? No.. you're insulting. Cha Sep 2019 #97

you insulted AOC... I'm calling you on that. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #99

Her tweet was insulting to Nancy Pelosi. Cha Sep 2019 #102

and Nancy had insulted her many times. so what? its perspective. I'm for both women. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #111

It was not only an insult to Nancy Cha Sep 2019 #113

No one is insulting anyone. Are you saying AOC is above criticism? PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #130

i suppose i am to some degree. I'm incensed. I'm angry. I'm 33 years old and somebody has fucked Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #136

The US congress is not run by anger PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #138

you. Cannot. be . Serious. check our history friend. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #140

I am absolutely serious. PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #149

LBJ Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #168

A Break? That's what amateurs would call it. The Politically savvy know it was a lot more Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #100

Ikr! Nancy knows what she's doing. Cha Sep 2019 #104

That's what the disengaged would call savvy. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #109

That is what wisdom calls immature. n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #131

You insult madam speaker and then say you are proud of her??? Which is it? Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #103

I'm proud of her. I'm responding to the fucking reply. we don't need to do this Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #106

Actually, she knew what she was doing, and held her course when others were ehrnst Sep 2019 #147

Welcome to DU. ehrnst Sep 2019 #146

Was this comment, directed to HER caucus, really necessary? George II Sep 2019 #123

I'm only a few years older than AOC. we're upset about our future. maybe she shouldn't Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #139

It certainly got lots of attention, didn't it? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #148

Yes an apology from AOC, and all those here on DU that were just as hateful Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #89

Exactly, kasper.. but I very much doubt Cha Sep 2019 #93

Mahalo to you 2 Cha!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #118

It'll never happen. George II Sep 2019 #125

Apologizing indicates that someone believes that they have something to learn ehrnst Sep 2019 #157

Also.. Apologizing when you're wrong is a sign of Cha Sep 2019 #161

+1000 RelativelyJones Sep 2019 #26

This!! Yelling, screaming and name calling never accomplish anything Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #87

Here's where she said it: George II Sep 2019 #122

Impressive, beautifully stated reply which articulates the very reservations I have which make it emmaverybo Sep 2019 #134

Dozens of representatives, CNN, MSNBC, et. al. have kept the concept of impeachment.... George II Sep 2019 #40

They also helped to quietly influence their colleagues StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #42

Yes indeed, and none of them called the failure to impeach a bigger scandal than what trump did. George II Sep 2019 #43

Jennifer Rubin melman Sep 2019 #21

Anonymous anti Pelosi posters... revmclaren Sep 2019 #27

Sad, isn't it? George II Sep 2019 #44

Yes it is. revmclaren Sep 2019 #45

I'd take Jennifer Rubin over some of them any day. They obviously have never seen her.... George II Sep 2019 #46

The automatic kill the messenger no matter who or what. betsuni Sep 2019 #59

Indeed!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #90

Rubin is correct. nt mcar Sep 2019 #29

Happy to eat crow regarding Nancy budkin Sep 2019 #30

Bravo, thanks!!! George II Sep 2019 #41

Kudos to you!! DU and the dem party would be a better place if everyone was willing to admit Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #107

"House Democrats Issue Condemnation Of Ukraine For Making It Harder To Avoid Impeaching Trump" Orrex Sep 2019 #32

My interpretation isn't "post hoc." I've been telling y'all for months not to underestimate NDP StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #35

Yeah, but since she certainly wasn't waiting for this Ukraine bombshell... Orrex Sep 2019 #38

I think it was a calculated risk DFW Sep 2019 #48

That's what I wonder about all of the Republican never-Trumpers wryter2000 Sep 2019 #50

That is the trouble. They think the world was as it should be under Cheney. DFW Sep 2019 #53

+1 leftstreet Sep 2019 #57

"it certainly is fortunate her members didn't push her out of the way in favor of a novice leader." DFW Sep 2019 #52

LOL She lost me at "far left Democrats" leftstreet Sep 2019 #56

while i agree with Rubin's take many other democrats have said the same. as soon as Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #60

K&R betsuni Sep 2019 #64

Speaker Pelosi is very smart and is doing an amazing job Gothmog Sep 2019 #66

Yes she has. History will be very kind to madam speaker!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #115

I took a lot of flak from DU for suggesting we needed to trust pelosi. Joe941 Sep 2019 #108

Right there with ya!! Kudos to you for standing up for her when most were not!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #120

Rubin is spot on. Any sooner would be seen as jumping the gun, sore-loser-ism, etc. flibbitygiblets Sep 2019 #126

I don't care about her politics, as long as she doesn't support government corruption. She's emmaverybo Sep 2019 #129

Better late than never. egduj Sep 2019 #133

Better Right On Time than too damn Cha Sep 2019 #142

She knew exactly what she was doing, and she turned out to be right. ehrnst Sep 2019 #151

Either way. But sha has joined the game egduj Sep 2019 #152

No, it's not "either way" and you've actually been trashing Pelosi, not praising her. ehrnst Sep 2019 #153

It's late September baseball, and we're making a drive to the post season. egduj Sep 2019 #154

"Sure, if she was with us in April, things might not be so dicey right now," ehrnst Sep 2019 #155

I'll gladly admit, it is much better to share her opinion than be against it. egduj Sep 2019 #163

So you're not going to answer my question about who she was "with" in April if she wasn't ehrnst Sep 2019 #164

No answer? ehrnst Sep 2019 #167

Glad you and others who didn't get it finally came around about her skills in handling this. ehrnst Sep 2019 #159

She rope-a-doped him, made him think she wouldn't do it after Mueller. There he stuck his hand in NCLefty Sep 2019 #143

I find the American Prospect article more befitting miyazaki Sep 2019 #144

I don't believe she wanted to go down this road but her hand was forced by Trumps own actions TNLib Sep 2019 #156

I think she always intended to go down this road StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #158

Actually, she was the one who forced his hand. I guess you didn't hear about that... ehrnst Sep 2019 #160

Pelosi simply waited for the support to build up in the Democratic caucus. GreenEyedLefty Sep 2019 #166

Agree with the article Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #169