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JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
13. Trump deserves impeachment, but what's the end game?
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jul 2019

With McConnell's Senate, the chances are zilch of impeachment leading to conviction and removal from office.

But let's say Senate GOPers decide they want 45 gone, too, and vote to convict. That puts Pence in office, allowing him to run as the incumbent AND to pardon Trump on day one.

In that case, Trump misses out on the last year of office, but is free to move to Moscow and build his Russian Trump Tower.

The most likely scenario is the House impeaches and the Senate "exonerates," to use the word 45 wI'll no doubt use.

Yes, Trump will go down in history as an impeached president, but in the present he'll campaign on beating the Dems' attempt to oust him.

And what do we Dems get from it? Satisfaction of pursuing justice? At the same time, we just made all our many freshman reps in Orange County and elsewhere walk the plank to vote for impeachment and endanger reelection.

If they lose, we are in danger of losing the House. Worth it?

I agree with Pelosi: I want to see Trump in prison, which he may well be if we don't letr him get pardoned OR reelected.

Nope, I don't agree oregonjen Jul 2019 #1
I was very pro-impeachment not too long ago, but the moment has passed. Yavin4 Jul 2019 #2
Nope...having a clown car full of 24+ candidates is distracting voters... Moostache Jul 2019 #5
I agree MFM008 Jul 2019 #128
Very true. That anyone polling at 1-2% has the right Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #134
Your moment has clearly passed, but you weren't in this Hortensis Jul 2019 #19
While I hate the source for this, there was a certain accuracy to... JHB Jul 2019 #85
I'd really like that drumbeat growing each week also Hortensis Jul 2019 #111
If I had such a vote I would vote for new party leadership. CentralMass Jul 2019 #3
Rule of Law is a lost cause. Just be happy that the stormtroopers haven't taken you (yet). Moostache Jul 2019 #4
What is "do-nothing" about dozens of investgations, public testimony by Mueller.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #27
Let me know when the REQUIRED BY LAW tax returns are handed over... Moostache Jul 2019 #45
The courts are currently deciding on his tax returns.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #51
I could not agree more. Snackshack Jul 2019 #61
Of course they should and will impeach. Naysayers make me wonder who they are working for. DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #106
Are you talking about Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi? ehrnst Jul 2019 #124
No, others DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #133
Who? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #135
THANK YOU klook Jul 2019 #127
+1000 kacekwl Jul 2019 #131
You are right. So many are in denial. Trump holds wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #6
Nope. Impeachment is the answer. We can't wait a whole year more! Joe941 Jul 2019 #90
TrumPutin would be very pleased to have us focus only on 2020... Mister Ed Jul 2019 #7
No, impeachment is not a matter of law enforcement- it's a political process not a judicial one. ehrnst Jul 2019 #28
I'm not at all confused, thank you. Mister Ed Jul 2019 #105
Impeachment is a political process and not a criminal proceeding. ehrnst Jul 2019 #109
I refuse to accept that. Joe941 Jul 2019 #8
So we're banking on fixing things in an election OliverQ Jul 2019 #9
Well, it's certainly pointless to bank on impeachment to remove him, isn't it? ehrnst Jul 2019 #30
I am curious Ani Yun Wiya Jul 2019 #107
You mean shut down all legislative activity? How does congress not vote on a budget without ehrnst Jul 2019 #108
If the people come out to vote in big numbers Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #48
Conviction is. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #10
Impeachment won't "convict him" because the Senate won't vote to convict him. ehrnst Jul 2019 #31
I know how Impeachment and the Senate trial works. Hence my comment. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #34
Um... what is a "conviction" via impeachment worth when we already know the outcome ehrnst Jul 2019 #40
It is not a conviction. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #57
So what does being IMPEACHED change for him or us? ehrnst Jul 2019 #70
So if Trump weren't President Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #49
Right, that's exactly what I wrote. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #52
Just asking a question Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #63
2020 won't matter if the Constitution isn't protected Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #11
There's some fear based defeatism there. ehrnst Jul 2019 #17
I prefer the Dems show courage and principles, and not shrink from their sworn duty nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #20
Ah, so shirking strategic thinking is preferable to a personal need for ehrnst Jul 2019 #21
I'd like to think Dems in Congress can do both Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #22
Actually, Impeachment isn't a duty until 218 of them think it is. ehrnst Jul 2019 #23
Each individual rep took an oath- it is up to each of them to take a stand Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #38
And until 218 of them ehrnst Jul 2019 #46
I get it, you're afraid Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #64
Actually, no. You don't get it. ehrnst Jul 2019 #67
We do disagree, too bad. DaDeacon Jul 2019 #69
Perhaps you might consider supporting our party leaders. ehrnst Jul 2019 #73
Lol, I'm Good! DaDeacon Jul 2019 #84
It sounds as though you follow certain causes "just cause." ehrnst Jul 2019 #88
Any one who was in leadership when we lost to Trump DaDeacon Jul 2019 #91
What was their responsibility in that? ehrnst Jul 2019 #92
They didn't win. DaDeacon Jul 2019 #94
Who is "They?" And who exactly in leadership should we be "questioning?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #113
Crickets. ehrnst Jul 2019 #123
Not silent my comment was flagged?!? DaDeacon Aug 2019 #136
Elections are not important? Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #50
Country before party nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #65
And how does losing elections Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #66
Indeed.(nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #79
In what way does the Democratic party and the good of the country conflict? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #78
Apparently not. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #97
The only problem with that strategy is that Trump and the fascists cheated last time Poiuyt Jul 2019 #12
So how would impeachment change that, or be an alternative to electing him out? ehrnst Jul 2019 #24
Trump deserves impeachment, but what's the end game? JaneQPublic Jul 2019 #13
There is no longer any reason to think 2020 will be a free and fair election uponit7771 Jul 2019 #14
How does that strengthen the argument to impeach him? Impeachment isn't an alternative to voting him ehrnst Jul 2019 #25
Because we don't have anything else left. A well timed impeachment is our best shot to bring down uponit7771 Jul 2019 #26
You actually think impeachment will convince those who are still his fans to turn on him? ehrnst Jul 2019 #32
No, it'll convince the people who don't vote somethings wrong and their vote will stop it ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #33
If people they don't vote, then they don't get a say afterwards... ehrnst Jul 2019 #35
I'm talking about the people who usually don't vote in presidential elections, yes congress does hav uponit7771 Jul 2019 #39
No, Congress doesn't have the power to overturn the EC..... ehrnst Jul 2019 #42
And depend on a FREE AND FAIR election - with this fascist thief as the incumbent? ElementaryPenguin Jul 2019 #15
"Can't wait that long..." Are you under the impression that he's going to resign or can be removed ehrnst Jul 2019 #37
Good luck with that. Trump et al have the Russian federation behind them. triron Jul 2019 #16
So, impeachment fixes that how? If you think that impeachment will remove him instead ehrnst Jul 2019 #18
Yes let's count on an election at least 5 countries can hack. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #29
So focusing on impeachment changes that how? ehrnst Jul 2019 #36
We need to do it all!!! DaDeacon Jul 2019 #41
So... what happens to all that "HOPE" around an impeachment when it fails ehrnst Jul 2019 #43
I said get rid of hope... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #44
Magical thinking is not "determination and grit." ehrnst Jul 2019 #47
I get it... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #55
No, actually you don't. ehrnst Jul 2019 #103
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #56
I'm negative, because I say we need to work hard?!? DaDeacon Jul 2019 #59
Straw man.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #68
Please read all post... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #71
I read "all post." ehrnst Jul 2019 #74
Then tell me... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #81
Here's the straw man you attacked: ehrnst Jul 2019 #82
try again DaDeacon Jul 2019 #86
Read it again. ehrnst Jul 2019 #87
Honestly, This is a personal attack DaDeacon Jul 2019 #89
Where did I attack you? Please. ehrnst Jul 2019 #93
Post 57?!? Would you like a screen capture?!? DaDeacon Jul 2019 #95
Um... that's Brutus Smith. I'm ehrnst. ehrnst Jul 2019 #98
I am sorry... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #99
Apology accepted. ehrnst Jul 2019 #100
Cool DaDeacon Jul 2019 #102
Projection.... ehrnst Jul 2019 #101
the poll free data says the 2020 election is already won. the only variable left is voter depression Kurt V. Jul 2019 #53
And when that election is hacked???? NightWatcher Jul 2019 #54
If we cannot impeach the most corrupt president in America's history... pbmus Jul 2019 #58
Thanks, 100% agree! DaDeacon Jul 2019 #60
"Anarchy will rule, chaos and confusion will cause a giant vacuum which will inspire fascism" ehrnst Jul 2019 #96
Oh brother. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #112
Yes, anarchy...we have a lawless president who supports absolute freedom of individuals pbmus Jul 2019 #114
LOL! NurseJackie Jul 2019 #116
I used the definition of anarchy to prove that I am not being hyperbolic. pbmus Jul 2019 #118
No I'm not. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #119
Saying no your not, and explaining what anarchy really is.. pbmus Jul 2019 #120
Yeah, whatever. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #122
Trump wants "the absolute freedom of individuals"? lapucelle Jul 2019 #121
We can do both. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #62
Agreed!!! 100% DaDeacon Jul 2019 #72
Or they feel that impeachment will distract from the election. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #75
Bingo! DaDeacon Jul 2019 #76
An impeachment, now, before the General would not "go together" with the election. ehrnst Jul 2019 #104
Wish that people here would pay more attention to a giant harbinger of a clue . . . empedocles Jul 2019 #77
Nothing is lost. Nothing is wasted. nt Hekate Jul 2019 #80
I'm in agreement customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #83
Impeachment is gaining strength every day. spanone Jul 2019 #110
No, it's not. budkin Jul 2019 #115
Respectfully disagree 100%. H2O Man Jul 2019 #117
No Catherine Vincent Jul 2019 #125
better educate yourself on the probability that a free/fair election is NOT HAPPENING. Grasswire2 Jul 2019 #126
We will never get back a murdered loved one TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #129
Please don't project your own limits of focus onto everyone else. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #130
It's not Republicanism any more, it is FASCISM. The rule of law is dead. VOX Jul 2019 #132
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