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uponit7771

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21. Well be losing again in 2020 if there is no recognition of the depth of penetration into our ...

Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:10 PM

Jul 2019

... electoral systems the Russians were able to achieve.

There's no one who's willing to say 2020 will be more free and fair than 2016 after red Don announced her was going to cheat.

No... Overwhelming numbers... Doesn't work when there's no audit

Yes, it's time to cut the arms off the purple guy so he doesn't small his fingers

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The NY Times is wrong and here is why: elections don't happen in a vacuum. [View all] Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 OP

Thank you. blue neen Jul 2019 #1

Me, too. BadgerMom Jul 2019 #12

Agreed. blue neen Jul 2019 #18

In other words, some states are smarter than others... pbmus Jul 2019 #2

Third party candidates wins bigger share of the vote in 2016 spooky3 Jul 2019 #3

Yup. That was one of the big deciding factors... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #4

Oh how you nailed the change agent. Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #9

It was very evident... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #10

My contacts in Utah were talking Wellstone ruled Jul 2019 #19

I wonder how Obama would have performed had FBI director declared investigation a week before electi AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #5

Probably would have been dinged pretty badly. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #6

That was the biggest ace that kacekwl Jul 2019 #16

Nationally, Hillary only had 70K fewer votes than Obama in 2012. The key difference: pnwmom Jul 2019 #7

This is why I looked at percentage... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #13

The other unmentioned factor is that black turnout declined from 66% to 60% in 2016 -- pnwmom Jul 2019 #17

Voter suppression was real and we need to fight it... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #23

Without voter suppression it wouldn't have been a close election. When, in history, pnwmom Jul 2019 #24

It would have been close. Why? Because it was close. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #32

No. It was close in those states because the votes of black voters -- i.e., Democrats -- pnwmom Jul 2019 #34

The Russians helped get Donald Trump elected. End of story uponit7771 Jul 2019 #8

It's not end of story. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #15

Well be losing again in 2020 if there is no recognition of the depth of penetration into our ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #21

Good luck with that narrative. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #22

Facts work uponit7771 Jul 2019 #27

You haven't provided any facts, tho... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #30

Mueller report did & outlined the level & depth of penetration by Russians into our election systems uponit7771 Jul 2019 #37

You're acting as if 2018 didn't happen. trump lost the election he called a referendum on himself. brush Jul 2019 #33

At the Senate level in the South and Red States it did not, Georgia and Florida were hacked and the uponit7771 Jul 2019 #35

We're talking about trump not the senate. And voters are much more aware of Russian bots than... brush Jul 2019 #36

I'm talking about the KGOP cheating with the Russians and Trump allowing it. uponit7771 Jul 2019 #38

We can disagree. All those things are not going to fall into place again... brush Jul 2019 #39

Like Adam Schiff said (link) there's nothing stopping them from cheating again uponit7771 Jul 2019 #40

Why do you think I always mention the 77k votes in 3 states. brush Jul 2019 #41

" IMO 2016 was one-time thing that can't be duplicated. " .... There has to be some uponit7771 Jul 2019 #42

We'll see. Willing to wager $5 that trump loses? brush Jul 2019 #43

Depends on what happens beforehand if we expose him to maybe we win uponit7771 Jul 2019 #44

Russia , voter suppression & Democratic losing trend from 2010 forward delisen Jul 2019 #25

+1, 2010 really hurt uponit7771 Jul 2019 #28

Thanks for this analysis. yonder Jul 2019 #11

K&R! Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #14

Well written and I agree. padfun Jul 2019 #20

So what about the states Hillary did better in? dsc Jul 2019 #26

I think those are states trending in the Dems' direction... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #31

2018 was a referendum against trump and he was beaten dicisively. Since then he has done nothing to. brush Jul 2019 #29