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orangecrush

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Tue Jul 2, 2019, 05:15 PM Jul 2019

Unreliable reports of U.S., Russian Sub Battle [View all]


Not a good source, and hope isn't true, but...


Debka: Urgent Consultations in Washington, Moscow on Reported US-Russian Submarines in Firefight
NOTE: DEBKA has been proven unreliable in the past but at times they do get things right.

Jul 2, 2019 @ 22:24 Diane Shalem

First reports reaching DEBKAfile’s military sources say that a US submarine intercepted a Russian nuclear sub in American waters opposite Alaska. The Russian sub escorting the nuclear submarine responded with a Balkan 2000 torpedo and scuttled the US vessel. Urgent consultations in both the White House and the Kremlin were taking place on Tuesday night. US Vice President Mike Pence called off an appearance in New Hampshire after being recalled to Washington for a conference called by President Donald Trump without explanation.

Russian President Vladimir Putin cancelled an engagement and headed for the Kremlin to confer with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chiefs, after learning that 14 submariners died in a fire that broke out on a nuclear-powered “experimental submarine in Russian waters.” This account carried in Russian media varies in most respects from the first reports reaching this site and may refer to a separate incident. They report between 14 and 17 members of an AS-12 nuclear powered submarine died of poisonous fumes caused by a fire aboard the vessel. The submarine was described as experimental and unarmed but often used in spy missions. It is unclear how many of the 25 crew survived. Local media suggest four or five are receiving treatment in Severomorsk’s military hospital for poisoning and concussion injuries. Another news account said the majority of the officers died in or on their way to hospital. These reports do not cite the cause of the fire.




https://www.debka.com/mivzak/urgent-consultations-in-washington-moscow-on-reported-us-russian-submarines-in-firefight/
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Well, that's swell. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2019 #1
Hopefully orangecrush Jul 2019 #3
Someone should call Sarah Palin and ask if she saw anything. Tanuki Jul 2019 #2
... orangecrush Jul 2019 #4
LOL! Laurian Jul 2019 #6
Thread win. cwydro Jul 2019 #13
No one will top this malaise Jul 2019 #16
That was funny blueinredohio Jul 2019 #37
?? if the U.S. vessel was scuttled, then why only Russian casualties? nt tblue37 Jul 2019 #5
My read is orangecrush Jul 2019 #8
"Scuttle" is the DELIBERATE SINKING OF A SHIP BY ITS COMMANDER ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #7
Bad phrasing. orangecrush Jul 2019 #9
here... orangecrush Jul 2019 #10
Here ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #11
Your definition is correct orangecrush Jul 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #33
Debka should look at a map before writting an article. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #12
Severomorsk orangecrush Jul 2019 #15
A Russian nuclear spy sub caught on fire and 14 soldiers died per this story. No mention of US sub. Claritie Pixie Jul 2019 #17
"Balkan 2000" LMAOOOOOOOOO WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #18
Did a Google search for Balkan 2000 torpedo - got this jpak Jul 2019 #21
I think that's a Balkan 3000 GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2019 #28
Something is going on. icymist Jul 2019 #19
Looks that way. orangecrush Jul 2019 #20
I've been looking around an don't believe there is no EU Security Council. icymist Jul 2019 #23
I guess one of those Iranian diesel subs sunk a U.S. sub and damaged a Russian sub? LiberalArkie Jul 2019 #25
This piqued my interest, being reported on many fake news sites across twitter.(it's a new story dewsgirl Jul 2019 #22
Has anyone been able to find a reliable source Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #24
Unreliable is one word for it sarisataka Jul 2019 #26
Very possible. orangecrush Jul 2019 #29
This doesn't make sense-- dawg day Jul 2019 #27
Maybe maybe not Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #31
Debka is a shit source and should be ignored... Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #30
Thanks for that info. GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #36
Noted the source as unreliable orangecrush Jul 2019 #39
This is from a Submarine BBS - no link yet Submariner Jul 2019 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #34
Thanks for the information! orangecrush Jul 2019 #38
Seems like there are a lot of unreliable reports these days... GuyNamedNathan Jul 2019 #35
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