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ehrnst

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50. Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it relevant or informed.

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:54 PM

Jun 2019

This is congress, not Trump, no matter how much you claim that Democrats are "Red Don's sychophants."

Even more protections for migrants and congressional oversight will be added to the House bill on Tuesday, including care guidelines for unaccompanied children. The additions will also require the Department of Health and Human Services to notify Congress which requirements are being waived because of an influx of migrants

Again... please try to read the article before embarassing yourself further.

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Pelosi: "A vote against this bill is a vote for Donald Trump and his inhumane, outside-the-circle of [View all] ehrnst Jun 2019 OP

Here's hoping there can be a truth commission on this someday - and soon. sandensea Jun 2019 #1

Indeed. In the meantime, we need to get money to NGOs who can be trusted ehrnst Jun 2019 #4

I hope that ALL of our Democrats rally behind Speaker Pelosi and votes for this. George II Jun 2019 #2

Those kids need help now. Holding up aid to them in order to defy Trump in every way is no better ehrnst Jun 2019 #3

They need simple things like soap, toothpaste, blankets, decent sleeping conditions, ALL of which... George II Jun 2019 #5

Which is why NGOs need to be in there instead, which is what this bill funds. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #6

Some are going to claim that paying for such items is "funding ICE"! George II Jun 2019 #8

See post #7 in this thread... claiming that anything but obstruction will "normalize" the situation. ehrnst Jun 2019 #10

I don't know, I think they need more cover ... NOT voting for impeachment but voting for Red Don's uponit7771 Jun 2019 #13

Voting to fund care of children who are at risk is "fucked up?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #69

I don't trust Trump to fund the care of children uponit7771 Jun 2019 #87

As has been stated many times, Congress will be handling it, as per this bill ehrnst Jun 2019 #94

Congress will not personally hand out the money to the NGOs, please stop saying that uponit7771 Jun 2019 #96

No one said that - you're imagining things.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #111

Yes, and there is a word for it. Complicity. Those who appease those who act like nazis enable them. Amyishere Jun 2019 #126

anything other than impeachment and 100% obstructionist tactics Traffic Interruptus Jun 2019 #7

So what happens to the kids at the border while we "build the wall of obstruction" and impeach? ehrnst Jun 2019 #9

I think it's a bit naive to think additional funding will result in better treatment LanternWaste Jun 2019 #11

AMEN!! and no one outside of Red Don's sycophants believe the funds will be used properly uponit7771 Jun 2019 #12

You know, actually reading something before ranting about the contents makes one look far more ehrnst Jun 2019 #16

Sigh, I have ... NO ... confidence the NGOs will see any money from Red Don's admin. Why do you? tia uponit7771 Jun 2019 #18

Well, to be fair, their executives probably will leftstreet Jun 2019 #21

Which ones? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #23

Execs and carpet walkers running NGOs and nonprofits leftstreet Jun 2019 #25

Specifically - which ones? Since you know who they are, then you can tell us. ehrnst Jun 2019 #31

You can research the current contract recipients leftstreet Jun 2019 #35

So you have nothing, and know nothing about these 'execs.' It's just a rant. ehrnst Jun 2019 #37

Actually I do leftstreet Jun 2019 #41

But you're hiding them? ehrnst Jun 2019 #45

You know the NGOs that Congress is working with now on this legislation? ehrnst Jun 2019 #72

So how did they get the money that they have been getting? ehrnst Jun 2019 #22

NGOs can take donations that aren't from the government uponit7771 Jun 2019 #39

Not for government contracts. Is reading the article at the OP that difficult? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #46

You don't seem to understand the difference between NGOs that ehrnst Jun 2019 #75

So, Pelosi and Democrats are "Red Don's sychophants?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #24

It's a bit naive to think that better treatment will come by continuing as things have been ehrnst Jun 2019 #14

We agree, then sign short fund that is contingent on Red Don ending the child abuse ... better? uponit7771 Jun 2019 #27

"sign short fund that is contingient on..." ehrnst Jun 2019 #71

Nope, give them funding for 3 months then at the end of 3 months Red Don shows how he has uponit7771 Jun 2019 #86

What is the metric for Red Don showing "he has ended the child abuse?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #93

No metering and 3 day processing of asylum seekers. Rep Paul Ruiz agrees with my position to some uponit7771 Jun 2019 #97

That's terribly realistic... ehrnst Jun 2019 #99

If red don was made to own his child abuse then yes, it is realistic. Looks like the house ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #100

"Made to own his own child abuse?" In what world would he ever do that? ehrnst Jun 2019 #102

In a world were he doesn't get resources to run his concentration camps uponit7771 Jun 2019 #104

Again - what is the alternative to taking care of the kids who in CPB custody? ehrnst Jun 2019 #113

"The alternative is leaving kids in the situation that they are in. " This is false on its face uponit7771 Jun 2019 #119

You have offered no other alternative... ehrnst Jun 2019 #120

" You have offered no other alternative..." This is also false. Make Red Don stop metering and send uponit7771 Jun 2019 #122

So... how does one "make Red Don stop" and "send resources for faster more thorough processing?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #124

"your claim that they are simply "sycophants" this is also false uponit7771 Jun 2019 #131

This is you, right? ehrnst Jun 2019 #132

the problem is not a lack of money, and won't be solved by giving more money Amyishere Jun 2019 #127

So feeding and housing and educating these kids doesn't cost money? ehrnst Jun 2019 #133

+1000 emmaverybo Jun 2019 #70

Democrats doing the right thing mcar Jun 2019 #15

Some here think that it's worth it, if complete obstruction will "teach Trump a lesson." ehrnst Jun 2019 #17

Seems some care more for purity than human lives mcar Jun 2019 #19

Apparently, those who do are "Red Don's sychophants" ehrnst Jun 2019 #26

Yeah, let's let more children die mcar Jun 2019 #29

Giving Trump more money for child abuse isn't going to stop child deaths at his concentration camps uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32

How about giving NGOs more money? mcar Jun 2019 #34

I don't trust one bit that the money will end up with NGOs, there's no reason to. uponit7771 Jun 2019 #36

THere always is a chance for abuse, mcar Jun 2019 #38

That chance is 100% great with the Trump admin, we can fund the NGO's directly and no go uponit7771 Jun 2019 #42

No we can't. Not for care of wards of the state. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #103

Hearing GOP talking points about the social safety net in very surprising places today... ehrnst Jun 2019 #44

... mcar Jun 2019 #47

So how did they get the money that they have? ehrnst Jun 2019 #40

NGOs get donations uponit7771 Jun 2019 #43

Not for government contracts. Please give reading the actual article in the OP a try. ehrnst Jun 2019 #48

Not the question you asked, goal post move noted uponit7771 Jun 2019 #51

Question avoided, yet again, noted... ehrnst Jun 2019 #54

Everyone can read your overly broad question and the specific answer I gave uponit7771 Jun 2019 #55

Still avoiding actually putting your money where your mouth is... ehrnst Jun 2019 #57

What NGO would stay quiet about not getting the money that the contract states? ehrnst Jun 2019 #105

The same ones being quiet about the conditions in the other facilities? The same ones who are uponit7771 Jun 2019 #106

Goalposts moved... so you can still rant that Democrats are "colluding with Red Don" ehrnst Jun 2019 #114

+++ nt brer cat Jun 2019 #101

... and some have a rational reason to not trust a damn thing Trump the Child Abuser says uponit7771 Jun 2019 #20

This isn't Trump, it's Pelosi. You know - one of "Red Don's sychophants" ehrnst Jun 2019 #28

So Pelosi is handing out the money to the NGOs personally or is this a bill to fund the NGO's throug uponit7771 Jun 2019 #30

You think that Trump is handing out the money to the NGOs personally? ehrnst Jun 2019 #33

Yes, of course he and Melanie are at the border handing out stacks like paper towels :rolleyes: uponit7771 Jun 2019 #49

So the NGO's don't have government contracts to care for these kids? ehrnst Jun 2019 #53

You posted "government" run by trump, I don't trust them ... that's not hard. The bill could be ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #58

Again... you aren't really clear on the topic. ehrnst Jun 2019 #62

You're not responding to request either ... not one ... I'm done uponit7771 Jun 2019 #63

I doubt it... you are escaping answering the question that I asked ehrnst Jun 2019 #67

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it relevant or informed. ehrnst Jun 2019 #50

Congress doesn't hand out the money personally to the NGOs uponit7771 Jun 2019 #52

No one said that they did... ehrnst Jun 2019 #56

Good, outside of that there's no reason to trust Trump and his admin uponit7771 Jun 2019 #59

So you don't want congressional oversight of the funding? ehrnst Jun 2019 #60

You mean when Trump folk asked to come before congress tell them to pound sand? That "oversight"? uponit7771 Jun 2019 #61

You seem to be underinformed about NGOs and their work with the Government... ehrnst Jun 2019 #64

More useless condescension without comprehension of the other person position. That's boring uponit7771 Jun 2019 #65

Smarts to be schooled by someone who irritates you, isn't it? ehrnst Jun 2019 #68

I just put in another call to Speaker Pelosi's DC office. sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #66

we are fixing tRumps problems and this unimpeachable president will come out smelling like roses nt yaesu Jun 2019 #73

So let the kids get sick, traumatized and possibly die so we can make him "look worse?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #78

In the name of all of humanity file articles of impeachment ASAP! JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #74

So, you're saying don't authorize funding to help these kids - that it's "inhumane?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #76

Why should we fund keeping kids in cages at all? orangecrush Jun 2019 #79

So you think that providing a safe place for the kids in cages to go costs nothing? ehrnst Jun 2019 #107

Maybe, but it is for sure that believing Trump will use the money for any good is just not... JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #85

What good with impeachment do? It won't take him out of office, and it won't get those kids out ehrnst Jun 2019 #108

What other evil can Trump do if we do not impeach? JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #116

Again... how does impeachment help these kids, especially if it doesn't take him out of office? ehrnst Jun 2019 #117

This is what I don't get, ehrnst mcar Jun 2019 #118

"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #121

Yep mcar Jun 2019 #123

It sounds like some people would prefer... stillcool Jun 2019 #77

Sadly back in January (or was it February) some DEMOCRATS voted to keep the government.... George II Jun 2019 #83

I get wanting the funding for the kids and the government Bettie Jun 2019 #80

Someone is lobbying hard on this. orangecrush Jun 2019 #81

If companies are currently being paid hundreds per kid Bettie Jun 2019 #82

They need to stop orangecrush Jun 2019 #84

Actually, the bill makes them much more accountable to congress and less to HHS. ehrnst Jun 2019 #90

I simply don't believe that any of our government actually Bettie Jun 2019 #95

Do you have an alternative to the bill? Please share. ehrnst Jun 2019 #109

Actually, they should vote for it Bettie Jun 2019 #112

You take offense at my asking you for specifics on your statements? ehrnst Jun 2019 #115

Whatever. Sorry for saying anything Bettie Jun 2019 #125

That's not an accurate description of what I have said here. ehrnst Jun 2019 #130

Bull. This bill has NOTHING to do with separating families. ehrnst Jun 2019 #110

You are confusing the shelters with the border patrol cells. ehrnst Jun 2019 #92

That was my question as well. moondust Jun 2019 #88

Well, reading the article makes that clear, if you bother to read it. ehrnst Jun 2019 #91

That's exactly it. If they are not even allowed in to see the children how do you know how they are? Amyishere Jun 2019 #129

K&R betsuni Jun 2019 #89

CBP Custody Act moondust Jun 2019 #98

Just call him a fascist and be done with it... Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #128

Difficult reading Midnightwalk Jun 2019 #134