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12. AMEN!! and no one outside of Red Don's sycophants believe the funds will be used properly

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Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:22 PM

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Pelosi: "A vote against this bill is a vote for Donald Trump and his inhumane, outside-the-circle of [View all] ehrnst Jun 2019 OP

Here's hoping there can be a truth commission on this someday - and soon. sandensea Jun 2019 #1

Indeed. In the meantime, we need to get money to NGOs who can be trusted ehrnst Jun 2019 #4

I hope that ALL of our Democrats rally behind Speaker Pelosi and votes for this. George II Jun 2019 #2

Those kids need help now. Holding up aid to them in order to defy Trump in every way is no better ehrnst Jun 2019 #3

They need simple things like soap, toothpaste, blankets, decent sleeping conditions, ALL of which... George II Jun 2019 #5

Which is why NGOs need to be in there instead, which is what this bill funds. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #6

Some are going to claim that paying for such items is "funding ICE"! George II Jun 2019 #8

See post #7 in this thread... claiming that anything but obstruction will "normalize" the situation. ehrnst Jun 2019 #10

I don't know, I think they need more cover ... NOT voting for impeachment but voting for Red Don's uponit7771 Jun 2019 #13

Voting to fund care of children who are at risk is "fucked up?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #69

I don't trust Trump to fund the care of children uponit7771 Jun 2019 #87

As has been stated many times, Congress will be handling it, as per this bill ehrnst Jun 2019 #94

Congress will not personally hand out the money to the NGOs, please stop saying that uponit7771 Jun 2019 #96

No one said that - you're imagining things.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #111

Yes, and there is a word for it. Complicity. Those who appease those who act like nazis enable them. Amyishere Jun 2019 #126

anything other than impeachment and 100% obstructionist tactics Traffic Interruptus Jun 2019 #7

So what happens to the kids at the border while we "build the wall of obstruction" and impeach? ehrnst Jun 2019 #9

I think it's a bit naive to think additional funding will result in better treatment LanternWaste Jun 2019 #11

AMEN!! and no one outside of Red Don's sycophants believe the funds will be used properly uponit7771 Jun 2019 #12

You know, actually reading something before ranting about the contents makes one look far more ehrnst Jun 2019 #16

Sigh, I have ... NO ... confidence the NGOs will see any money from Red Don's admin. Why do you? tia uponit7771 Jun 2019 #18

Well, to be fair, their executives probably will leftstreet Jun 2019 #21

Which ones? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #23

Execs and carpet walkers running NGOs and nonprofits leftstreet Jun 2019 #25

Specifically - which ones? Since you know who they are, then you can tell us. ehrnst Jun 2019 #31

You can research the current contract recipients leftstreet Jun 2019 #35

So you have nothing, and know nothing about these 'execs.' It's just a rant. ehrnst Jun 2019 #37

Actually I do leftstreet Jun 2019 #41

But you're hiding them? ehrnst Jun 2019 #45

You know the NGOs that Congress is working with now on this legislation? ehrnst Jun 2019 #72

So how did they get the money that they have been getting? ehrnst Jun 2019 #22

NGOs can take donations that aren't from the government uponit7771 Jun 2019 #39

Not for government contracts. Is reading the article at the OP that difficult? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #46

You don't seem to understand the difference between NGOs that ehrnst Jun 2019 #75

So, Pelosi and Democrats are "Red Don's sychophants?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #24

It's a bit naive to think that better treatment will come by continuing as things have been ehrnst Jun 2019 #14

We agree, then sign short fund that is contingent on Red Don ending the child abuse ... better? uponit7771 Jun 2019 #27

"sign short fund that is contingient on..." ehrnst Jun 2019 #71

Nope, give them funding for 3 months then at the end of 3 months Red Don shows how he has uponit7771 Jun 2019 #86

What is the metric for Red Don showing "he has ended the child abuse?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #93

No metering and 3 day processing of asylum seekers. Rep Paul Ruiz agrees with my position to some uponit7771 Jun 2019 #97

That's terribly realistic... ehrnst Jun 2019 #99

If red don was made to own his child abuse then yes, it is realistic. Looks like the house ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #100

"Made to own his own child abuse?" In what world would he ever do that? ehrnst Jun 2019 #102

In a world were he doesn't get resources to run his concentration camps uponit7771 Jun 2019 #104

Again - what is the alternative to taking care of the kids who in CPB custody? ehrnst Jun 2019 #113

"The alternative is leaving kids in the situation that they are in. " This is false on its face uponit7771 Jun 2019 #119

You have offered no other alternative... ehrnst Jun 2019 #120

" You have offered no other alternative..." This is also false. Make Red Don stop metering and send uponit7771 Jun 2019 #122

So... how does one "make Red Don stop" and "send resources for faster more thorough processing?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #124

"your claim that they are simply "sycophants" this is also false uponit7771 Jun 2019 #131

This is you, right? ehrnst Jun 2019 #132

the problem is not a lack of money, and won't be solved by giving more money Amyishere Jun 2019 #127

So feeding and housing and educating these kids doesn't cost money? ehrnst Jun 2019 #133

+1000 emmaverybo Jun 2019 #70

Democrats doing the right thing mcar Jun 2019 #15

Some here think that it's worth it, if complete obstruction will "teach Trump a lesson." ehrnst Jun 2019 #17

Seems some care more for purity than human lives mcar Jun 2019 #19

Apparently, those who do are "Red Don's sychophants" ehrnst Jun 2019 #26

Yeah, let's let more children die mcar Jun 2019 #29

Giving Trump more money for child abuse isn't going to stop child deaths at his concentration camps uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32

How about giving NGOs more money? mcar Jun 2019 #34

I don't trust one bit that the money will end up with NGOs, there's no reason to. uponit7771 Jun 2019 #36

THere always is a chance for abuse, mcar Jun 2019 #38

That chance is 100% great with the Trump admin, we can fund the NGO's directly and no go uponit7771 Jun 2019 #42

No we can't. Not for care of wards of the state. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #103

Hearing GOP talking points about the social safety net in very surprising places today... ehrnst Jun 2019 #44

... mcar Jun 2019 #47

So how did they get the money that they have? ehrnst Jun 2019 #40

NGOs get donations uponit7771 Jun 2019 #43

Not for government contracts. Please give reading the actual article in the OP a try. ehrnst Jun 2019 #48

Not the question you asked, goal post move noted uponit7771 Jun 2019 #51

Question avoided, yet again, noted... ehrnst Jun 2019 #54

Everyone can read your overly broad question and the specific answer I gave uponit7771 Jun 2019 #55

Still avoiding actually putting your money where your mouth is... ehrnst Jun 2019 #57

What NGO would stay quiet about not getting the money that the contract states? ehrnst Jun 2019 #105

The same ones being quiet about the conditions in the other facilities? The same ones who are uponit7771 Jun 2019 #106

Goalposts moved... so you can still rant that Democrats are "colluding with Red Don" ehrnst Jun 2019 #114

+++ nt brer cat Jun 2019 #101

... and some have a rational reason to not trust a damn thing Trump the Child Abuser says uponit7771 Jun 2019 #20

This isn't Trump, it's Pelosi. You know - one of "Red Don's sychophants" ehrnst Jun 2019 #28

So Pelosi is handing out the money to the NGOs personally or is this a bill to fund the NGO's throug uponit7771 Jun 2019 #30

You think that Trump is handing out the money to the NGOs personally? ehrnst Jun 2019 #33

Yes, of course he and Melanie are at the border handing out stacks like paper towels :rolleyes: uponit7771 Jun 2019 #49

So the NGO's don't have government contracts to care for these kids? ehrnst Jun 2019 #53

You posted "government" run by trump, I don't trust them ... that's not hard. The bill could be ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #58

Again... you aren't really clear on the topic. ehrnst Jun 2019 #62

You're not responding to request either ... not one ... I'm done uponit7771 Jun 2019 #63

I doubt it... you are escaping answering the question that I asked ehrnst Jun 2019 #67

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it relevant or informed. ehrnst Jun 2019 #50

Congress doesn't hand out the money personally to the NGOs uponit7771 Jun 2019 #52

No one said that they did... ehrnst Jun 2019 #56

Good, outside of that there's no reason to trust Trump and his admin uponit7771 Jun 2019 #59

So you don't want congressional oversight of the funding? ehrnst Jun 2019 #60

You mean when Trump folk asked to come before congress tell them to pound sand? That "oversight"? uponit7771 Jun 2019 #61

You seem to be underinformed about NGOs and their work with the Government... ehrnst Jun 2019 #64

More useless condescension without comprehension of the other person position. That's boring uponit7771 Jun 2019 #65

Smarts to be schooled by someone who irritates you, isn't it? ehrnst Jun 2019 #68

I just put in another call to Speaker Pelosi's DC office. sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #66

we are fixing tRumps problems and this unimpeachable president will come out smelling like roses nt yaesu Jun 2019 #73

So let the kids get sick, traumatized and possibly die so we can make him "look worse?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #78

In the name of all of humanity file articles of impeachment ASAP! JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #74

So, you're saying don't authorize funding to help these kids - that it's "inhumane?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #76

Why should we fund keeping kids in cages at all? orangecrush Jun 2019 #79

So you think that providing a safe place for the kids in cages to go costs nothing? ehrnst Jun 2019 #107

Maybe, but it is for sure that believing Trump will use the money for any good is just not... JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #85

What good with impeachment do? It won't take him out of office, and it won't get those kids out ehrnst Jun 2019 #108

What other evil can Trump do if we do not impeach? JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #116

Again... how does impeachment help these kids, especially if it doesn't take him out of office? ehrnst Jun 2019 #117

This is what I don't get, ehrnst mcar Jun 2019 #118

"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail." (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #121

Yep mcar Jun 2019 #123

It sounds like some people would prefer... stillcool Jun 2019 #77

Sadly back in January (or was it February) some DEMOCRATS voted to keep the government.... George II Jun 2019 #83

I get wanting the funding for the kids and the government Bettie Jun 2019 #80

Someone is lobbying hard on this. orangecrush Jun 2019 #81

If companies are currently being paid hundreds per kid Bettie Jun 2019 #82

They need to stop orangecrush Jun 2019 #84

Actually, the bill makes them much more accountable to congress and less to HHS. ehrnst Jun 2019 #90

I simply don't believe that any of our government actually Bettie Jun 2019 #95

Do you have an alternative to the bill? Please share. ehrnst Jun 2019 #109

Actually, they should vote for it Bettie Jun 2019 #112

You take offense at my asking you for specifics on your statements? ehrnst Jun 2019 #115

Whatever. Sorry for saying anything Bettie Jun 2019 #125

That's not an accurate description of what I have said here. ehrnst Jun 2019 #130

Bull. This bill has NOTHING to do with separating families. ehrnst Jun 2019 #110

You are confusing the shelters with the border patrol cells. ehrnst Jun 2019 #92

That was my question as well. moondust Jun 2019 #88

Well, reading the article makes that clear, if you bother to read it. ehrnst Jun 2019 #91

That's exactly it. If they are not even allowed in to see the children how do you know how they are? Amyishere Jun 2019 #129

K&R betsuni Jun 2019 #89

CBP Custody Act moondust Jun 2019 #98

Just call him a fascist and be done with it... Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #128

Difficult reading Midnightwalk Jun 2019 #134