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JHB

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4. IMO, it was also part of drumming up a new, post-Soviet boogeyman
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jun 2019

Remember when the phrase first started getting wide play outside of lefty circles?

February 1992, after a speech by former Attorney General Edwin Meese at Harvard Law School, that was widely reported on and promoted, particularly on the Right.

Meese Speaks at Law School Forum
Stresses Importance of Ensuring Free Speech, Freedom of the Press
By Perry Q. Despeignes, CONTRIBUTING REPORTER February 11, 1992

Speaking at a Harvard Law School Forum last night, former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese III defended federal restrictions on the content of Planned Parenthood consultations while warning of the danger that "politically correct" speech codes pose to First Amendment rights.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1992/2/11/meese-speaks-at-law-school-forum/

At the time I thought it was a little odd that they'd latch on to that particular phrase, but then I remembered something else:

This was:
1) almost a year after the Soviets had been absolutely sidelined in the response to Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and the ensuing Gulf War,
2) almost six months since the failed coup by Soviet hardliners to oust Gorbachev, and
3) about a month and a half after the Soviet Union was dissolved completely.

In other words, it featured prominently in a heavily-promoted speech at the precise moment in history when even the most dinosaurine Conservative couldn't maintain the fiction that Liberals and Lefties were "on orders straight from the Kremlin" without losing all credibility beyond a relative handful of true-believing goobers.

The Soviets had become useless as a means of painting liberals and lefties as fools, dupes and active agents of a foreign power ideologically driven to wreck the country. It got harder to make political opponents look line the advance team for the Big Bad Bear when the BBB keeled over and just lay there gathering flies.


So they shifted gears and cloudsourced it: goodbye slavishly following "orders from Moscow", in the new version there's just this weird ideological cloud of anti-Americanism that motivates Liberals and the Left. In some ways it works even better, because it's even more malleable: it can cover whatever you want it to cover as long as you keep thumping the drum.

That's not the sole reason, of course. If people didn't get ed up with "holier than thou" types that phrase wouldn't exist either. But by 1992 conservative media was already converted to running on bile and foam, and the new Terrible Thing to keep the audience juiced was really convenient timing.
or "civility ". marybourg Jun 2019 #1
Or not being a bigoted asshole, at least in public for all to hear. SamuelTwain Jun 2019 #2
I've often said that underpants Jun 2019 #3
IMO, it was also part of drumming up a new, post-Soviet boogeyman JHB Jun 2019 #4
Kind of ironic, isn't it, considering trev Jun 2019 #13
It is very ironic ck4829 Jun 2019 #50
Partly ironic Captain Zero Jun 2019 #53
Yeah, I mentioned Russia is not Communist.... trev Jun 2019 #54
It's just funny though, we've got "holier than thou" types everywhere on the right ck4829 Jun 2019 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #5
political correctness has two meanings Mosby Jun 2019 #6
I wish I could rec your post. nt raccoon Jun 2019 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #8
For one thing, the term Oriental is too broad, as it applies to the Middle East as well as Asia. Nitram Jun 2019 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #18
No, it's not. "Oriental" means Asian. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #23
Oriental vs. Occidental smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #45
Occidental is an insurance company. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #56
No, you are wrong. It is a historical term for the East, not just Asia. Turkey was part of the Nitram Jun 2019 #57
Webster's. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #60
My Chinese Sister-in-law... tonedevil Jun 2019 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #21
I'm glad I will never be closer to you... tonedevil Jun 2019 #24
Good riddance to that troll. demmiblue Jun 2019 #26
+1 demmiblue Jun 2019 #22
If your SIL lives in America, I think that was the poster's point. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #25
Wow... tonedevil Jun 2019 #27
Your last sentence... tonedevil Jun 2019 #30
Yeah....oriental spices, rugs, furniture, etc. +1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #31
Not people... tonedevil Jun 2019 #32
No, not only in America Leith Jun 2019 #36
I see. +1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #38
Oriental Soph0571 Jun 2019 #43
Because, Well - Here Is a Map of Asia: MineralMan Jun 2019 #12
Umm, Mineral Man, since when were Arabs considered Asians? Nitram Jun 2019 #16
They still are. They live in Asia, right? MineralMan Jun 2019 #17
It's just another odd illogical language thing. marylandblue Jun 2019 #34
It's also distorted by historical usage. MineralMan Jun 2019 #35
Yes, but they are not "Asian." The 2000 and 2010 U.S. Census Bureau definition of the Asian is: Nitram Jun 2019 #58
See: Orientalism JHB Jun 2019 #40
I've said the same a number of times. Most things labeled PC are just good manners. Nitram Jun 2019 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #14
That's my "true agenda?" Aren't you the little know-it-all! Nitram Jun 2019 #15
Hey! Thanks for letting us know! MineralMan Jun 2019 #19
Buh-bye! demmiblue Jun 2019 #20
+1 ck4829 Jun 2019 #49
Sarcasm enid602 Jun 2019 #28
I think someone missed your "Sarcasm" title line. n/t progree Jun 2019 #41
. Iggo Jun 2019 #42
What about the term "hillbilly"? llmart Jun 2019 #59
Things change, norms change, the acceptable nomenclature changes. Stonepounder Jun 2019 #29
"Social Justice Warrior" (SJW) is another popular put-down on rightwing sites sop Jun 2019 #33
They have all these phrases for "Not being a sociopath" ck4829 Jun 2019 #48
Kick and recommend. Cruelty is accepted as humor bronxiteforever Jun 2019 #37
God, I hate him. That particular moment should have been the end of him. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #46
Agree with you 100%. bronxiteforever Jun 2019 #52
I think political correctness is hiding your predatory nature Beringia Jun 2019 #39
Huh? Soph0571 Jun 2019 #44
Nevermind Beringia Jun 2019 #55
K&R ck4829 Jun 2019 #47
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