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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:16 PM May 2019

Obama Had a Green New Deal, and It Worked. Let's Do That Again. [View all]

More recently, acknowledging the poll (which he brought to my attention) showing that the enthusiasm is heavily weighted against the Green New Deal, Roberts is presenting the grassroots wave as a future aspiration rather than a countable asset. “Intensity is what matters in politics,” he argues. “Democrats and climate hawks need to figure out how to generate some.” Roberts is a brilliant policy analyst from whom I have learned enormously. But I believe the theory of political change upon which he has hung his support for the Green New Deal strategy is showing its fatal flaws.

The second rationale for the Green New Deal is the belief that Democrats need a radically different strategy because what they tried under the Obama administration failed. Mike Konczal defends it as “a reaction to the failed strategy of cap-and-trade.” Kevin Baker, writing in Harper’s, calls Obama’s climate agenda “woefully inadequate in the first place,” and insists it has “now largely been squashed by President Trump.”

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The successes, by contrast, occurred with barely any fanfare. Obama’s stimulus included $80 billion in green energy subsidies, the largest investment in renewable energy technology in American history. The stimulus was written and passed in mere weeks, during an atmosphere of economic crisis when its impact on a long-developing environmental problem hardly registered with the news media. (Its tax credits for wind and solar power were extended in 2015, as part of a low-profile bipartisan budget deal.)

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All of this suggests Obama’s presidency offers a model, after all, for how the next Democratic president can address climate change. The three tools used by the 44th president — green energy investment as part of a stimulus bill, tighter regulation, and aggressive international diplomacy — may lack the transformative ambition of the Green New Deal. But the Green New Deal is nowhere close to overcoming either the technocratic challenge of designing workable policies to fulfill its grand designs, or the political challenge of enacting them.

A scaled-up version of Obama’s model, by contrast, is workable. Democrats might have to alter the rules for what kinds of spending the Senate allows to pass with 50 votes to allow for green energy subsidies. That will be a hard task when the 50th Senate vote comes from a red state, but not as hard as getting that 50th vote to approve a revolutionary overhaul of the entire economy. It’s not impossible to imagine a Joe Manchin or a Kyrsten Sinema approving a bill to deploy lots of new green energy infrastructure if it included enough investment for their states.


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/obamas-green-new-deal-worked-climate-change.html
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yeah qazplm135 May 2019 #1
I'll take "done" over being promised the moon any day. ehrnst May 2019 #3
No, it didn't "work" zipplewrath May 2019 #2
So tell us what would have "created the kind of reversals that were and are needed" ehrnst May 2019 #4
No, that's the point zipplewrath May 2019 #5
Actually, many things Obama did worked. Did you read the article at all before responding? ehrnst May 2019 #7
No zipplewrath May 2019 #8
Let's go through this again... ehrnst May 2019 #10
Okay zipplewrath May 2019 #16
Ok... ehrnst May 2019 #18
The data exists zipplewrath May 2019 #20
The data exists, but you just can't share it? ehrnst May 2019 #24
I've read it zipplewrath May 2019 #34
"Because working on a politically achievable policy that isn't a solution is a waste of time. " ehrnst May 2019 #37
This is all that the so-called "green new deal" is: George II May 2019 #6
It's a commitment to pursue those goals. MGKrebs May 2019 #9
Legislation requires more specificity as to what is mean by pursuing those goals. ehrnst May 2019 #11
Well then why such vitriol about it? MGKrebs May 2019 #13
The vitriol that I see is coming from those who see it as the ehrnst May 2019 #21
He wanted it to get the floor so they could vote it down without hearings. marylandblue May 2019 #14
So far it's a resolution, but the goal is very clear. marylandblue May 2019 #12
The resolution isn't going to have much in the way of teeth. ehrnst May 2019 #15
Good money after bad. zipplewrath May 2019 #17
Don't make perfect the enemy of good ehrnst May 2019 #19
Far from about perfect zipplewrath May 2019 #22
So you've changed your views since this thread started? ehrnst May 2019 #26
No zipplewrath May 2019 #35
It's got a better track record that anything newly proposed. ehrnst May 2019 #36
No it doesn't zipplewrath May 2019 #39
Where is the data that shows Obama's policies did 'nothing'? ehrnst May 2019 #40
I didn't say that zipplewrath May 2019 #41
Changing your tune when you are called out on it... ehrnst May 2019 #42
Nope - Your own words: ehrnst May 2019 #43
They didn't zipplewrath May 2019 #44
That's not a retraction of what you said. ehrnst May 2019 #45
It was insufficient zipplewrath May 2019 #46
Yup, doing "something" that won't make a noticeable difference is worse than nothing. marylandblue May 2019 #23
How do we know that this one isn't, to use that suddenly taboo word, "moderate"? We know nothing.... George II May 2019 #25
I don't have a problem with the word "moderate" marylandblue May 2019 #29
If they are not pursuing "IMPEACHMENT" at full volume 24/7 then they get trashed for not ehrnst May 2019 #30
Thanks for the info. I am glad there is some movement, and I'll read the bill later. marylandblue May 2019 #31
There have been at least two House hearings on climate change: George II May 2019 #32
Thanks. Not getting the attention it deserves, even among us political junkies on DU. marylandblue May 2019 #33
He had a good healthcare plan, as a starter, excellent comprehensive immigration reform plan, emmaverybo May 2019 #27
K&R for reality mcar May 2019 #28
K&R betsuni May 2019 #38
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