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Showing Original Post only (View all)Charles Blow on impeachment: I'm tired of all the fear and trepidation [View all]
...I find the conflation of Clinton and Trump ill-reasoned on the issue of the publics response in polling.
First, Clintons approval was subject to change in a way Trumps is not. Clinton experienced a 40-point swing in his approval over his presidency, according to Gallup. Trumps seems almost impervious to change, no matter the news.
People either love Trump or hate him. Impeachment will most likely not change that any more than Trump seeing fine people among Nazis or locking children in cages.
Furthermore, Clinton jumped 10 points, from 63 percent 73 percent, just after the House voted to impeach him. But, five month later, those gains had vanished and then some. His approval rating sank to 53 percent.
Im tired of all the fear and trepidation.
...House Democrats, at least the leadership, are afraid of looking like they have a blood lust and inadvertently increasing Trumps chances of re-election.
Folks, this is not the 1990s. Until 1996, CNN was the only cable news network. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram didnt exist. Google wasnt founded until 1998. Cellphones were in their infancy, and few people had them.
Furthermore, the massive and growing amount of campaign spending will drown out anything that happened months prior.
In 1996, Clinton raised $42 million for his re-election bid; in 2012, Obama raised a billion for his.
And finally, there was no President Trump in the 1990s producing a head-scratching number of headlines each day. Trump cant ride a victory nor will he be crestfallen in defeat. There would likely be untold new outrages even after an impeachment.
As for me, Im afraid of lawlessness and the horrible precedent it would set if Congress does nothing.
More at https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/21/opinion/impeach-donald-trump.html
First, Clintons approval was subject to change in a way Trumps is not. Clinton experienced a 40-point swing in his approval over his presidency, according to Gallup. Trumps seems almost impervious to change, no matter the news.
People either love Trump or hate him. Impeachment will most likely not change that any more than Trump seeing fine people among Nazis or locking children in cages.
Furthermore, Clinton jumped 10 points, from 63 percent 73 percent, just after the House voted to impeach him. But, five month later, those gains had vanished and then some. His approval rating sank to 53 percent.
Im tired of all the fear and trepidation.
...House Democrats, at least the leadership, are afraid of looking like they have a blood lust and inadvertently increasing Trumps chances of re-election.
Folks, this is not the 1990s. Until 1996, CNN was the only cable news network. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram didnt exist. Google wasnt founded until 1998. Cellphones were in their infancy, and few people had them.
Furthermore, the massive and growing amount of campaign spending will drown out anything that happened months prior.
In 1996, Clinton raised $42 million for his re-election bid; in 2012, Obama raised a billion for his.
And finally, there was no President Trump in the 1990s producing a head-scratching number of headlines each day. Trump cant ride a victory nor will he be crestfallen in defeat. There would likely be untold new outrages even after an impeachment.
As for me, Im afraid of lawlessness and the horrible precedent it would set if Congress does nothing.
More at https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/21/opinion/impeach-donald-trump.html
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Charles Blow on impeachment: I'm tired of all the fear and trepidation [View all]
BeyondGeography
Apr 2019
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K&R, The arguments against impeachment are falling apart the more facts and data are included
uponit7771
Apr 2019
#1
Nixon is a much better analogy for tRump's case than Clinton. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2019
#7
Stop feeding into this myth that bringing impeachment benefits the person being impeached.
world wide wally
Apr 2019
#8
I never claimed I did, but I certainly don't see the "Trump will win" if we impeach theory at all
world wide wally
Apr 2019
#42
People understood that Clintons Impeachment was based on BS, that he had consensual sex
yaesu
Apr 2019
#9
Agreed - as a true Americn we are duty blund to start the impeachment process. Also, regarding
c-rational
Apr 2019
#10
Enough of Holding Our Fingers Up to Figure Out Which Way the Political Wind Is Blowing!
panfluteman
Apr 2019
#19
As long as we have open hearings/testimony so the public sees the basis...
CaptainTruth
Apr 2019
#22
It seems like it the repuke narrative and the media then says it's is the Democratic narrrative
kimbutgar
Apr 2019
#28
If elected democrats had grown a steel spine years ago we would not be in this position now.
47of74
Apr 2019
#29
They must be formal impeachment investigation hearings -- the only way to get the Grand Jury info.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#38
We don't have time to lose trying to recreate Mueller's investigation, even if that was possible.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#44
No, regular oversight hearings will NOT have the same effect as a formal impeachment investigation.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#52
Why do you insist on using right wing talking points? The GOP does not need help besmirching this.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#61
Nixon's downfall was not the crime but the coverup. It is the same with Trump. Go get him.
trickyguy
Apr 2019
#49
Good points. But the crux of the matter is...impeaching doesn't remove him.
Honeycombe8
Apr 2019
#58
Trump and the GOP have spent nearly 2 years running a disinformation campaign against Mueller.
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#62
Have you read the Mueller report? The evidence is there, and is overwhelming.
SunSeeker
Apr 2019
#69
Get the full un redacted report then start the process basing it on the full report, as
SayItLoud
Apr 2019
#74