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125. "Afraid" to rile up Trump's base? Her being female riles up Trump's base...

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:43 AM

Apr 2019

Remember her response to being told that first time Democrats were running on opposing her for speaker? "Do what you need to do. Just win, baby!" Fear isn't something she's known for, but savvy is.

Maybe you are misunderstanding her 2018 statement that she wasn't going to hand GOP candidates in the mid-terms the soundbyte that voting for a Democrat would be bad for Trump because they will impeach him the minute they are in the majority....

She's doing more for the Democrats than any speaker in history. "Afraid" isn't in her vocabulary.

You think that she should start an impeachment process that will fail to remove him without support from GOP senators? Isn't that what the Benghazi "investigation" was? Intended to be red meat for their base, but instead backfired, and showed the world HRC's stamina, intellect, temprament, command of the facts, nerves of steel and sense of humor.

Why waste enormous amounts of time and resources on an impeachment (which by the way, they are prepared to launch the minute the minimum number of GOP senators might be willing to remove him) when there are cabinet members to investigate, judge nominations to block, and LEGISLATION TO BE PASSED, and health care to try to protect.

I personally would prefer to support them in doing what is actually possible, because we don't have time and resources to waste. I don't require red meat, bread and circuses, or gladiator for distraction.

Nancy knows more than all of us put together about procedure, legal options and herding cats through the legislative process.

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CNN is reporting that Trump ORDERED officials to defy law and BLOCK Migrants - IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE! [View all] Vinnie From Indy Apr 2019 OP

Add it to the list... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #1

Exactly. One more makes no difference. He has to commit one which will compel Repubs to convict him. LonePirate Apr 2019 #28

Indeed. The Senate Repubs are his Sgt Schultz. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #44

No, but col klinks Smackdown2019 Apr 2019 #58

I was just thinking "I know nothing, I saw nothing..." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #70

The only thing that will compel the Republicans atreides1 Apr 2019 #52

The Con believes he is above the law malaise Apr 2019 #2

With a morally blind AG in place, he likely is. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #9

He also clearly doesn't understand how court ORDERS work ... Volaris Apr 2019 #26

I worry about the extent to which ReTHUGs have corrupted the courts malaise Apr 2019 #27

"I worry about the extent to which ReTHUGs have corrupted the courts" pangaia Apr 2019 #141

Judges can be impeached and nothing is ever that simple malaise Apr 2019 #142

Impeachment throws a wrench into all his criminal dealings. Can't wait onit2day Apr 2019 #81

Same here malaise Apr 2019 #106

the fact that he is still where he is says to me that there really isn't any law anarch Apr 2019 #108

Sadly it does appear this way malaise Apr 2019 #109

Every day it's an impeachable offense. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2019 #3

This. orangecrush Apr 2019 #67

You shouldn't use the I word. It's just too divisive. It Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #112

You may not know that impeachment is a political process, not a criminal justice process. ehrnst Apr 2019 #119

Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal justice process. ehrnst Apr 2019 #118

So basically we should just shrug and "let this one go" calimary Apr 2019 #129

and the GOP will do nothing about it fascisthunter Apr 2019 #4

Maybe. But to be certain, DEMS must do something first. slumcamper Apr 2019 #54

Mueller report, Trumps taxes all get released under impeachment hearings onit2day Apr 2019 #82

Mitch keeps proving it, doesn't he? MyOwnPeace Apr 2019 #76

Yet he continues to do it because Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #5

I don't think people understand how deflating this is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #6

I don't think you understand how little Dem leadership can do. Blue_true Apr 2019 #10

I see his point. I am impatient already with Nadler. triron Apr 2019 #17

When that vote was taken, it was taken with the understanding that Nadler Blue_true Apr 2019 #20

April 2nd if I recall correctly. RobertDevereaux Apr 2019 #42

that was schiff's deadline. Barr made his own promise of mid april sometime... Takket Apr 2019 #64

So.... should have happened WAY earlier, clearly. ehrnst Apr 2019 #65

Red Don can be impeached for emolument violations RIGHT NOW! We're not asking to string him uponit7771 Apr 2019 #29

I'll go with stringing him by his toes. defacto7 Apr 2019 #48

If that's true, then why isn't Nancy doing that? ehrnst Apr 2019 #66

She doesn't believe the Russians were effective in their campaign in 16. If Pelosi understood the .. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #102

What are you even talking about? ehrnst Apr 2019 #117

Yes. She's afraid to rile up trumps base. for me, that's not good enough. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #116

"Afraid" to rile up Trump's base? Her being female riles up Trump's base... ehrnst Apr 2019 #125

THIS !!!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #133

Stop blaming Democrats. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #12

Bingo!!!!!!! Blue_true Apr 2019 #21

If you knee cap Democrats ...what do they expect. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #84

You believe we have 2 years, I don't think we have 2 more hours ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #31

Do you have some sort of magic wand to make the GOP Senators become ethical in the next 2 hours? ehrnst Apr 2019 #56

Great post...well done. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #92

No, we have the law to enforce and then start putting them in jail. They'd do that to us in a second uponit7771 Apr 2019 #100

I have sometimes wondered Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #86

That is a good question...as long as you belong.....quite a nice life. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #93

We have no way remote Trump from office, The GOP will not convict even Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #91

Conviction and removal are a red herring to impeachment. Let the voters see who are going to keep uponit7771 Apr 2019 #101

GOP Senators care about what Trump voters think so that's *why* they will keep him in office. ehrnst Apr 2019 #170

Watergate "INVESTIGATION" took two years, the house didn't take two years after they got the uponit7771 Apr 2019 #173

Thank you. ehrnst Apr 2019 #63

Cloying is the word. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #79

I heard that in 2001 about Gore just "giving up" when SCOTUS ruled against him. ehrnst Apr 2019 #51

If just 1,000 people in Florida had voted for Gore instead of wasting a vote Blue_true Apr 2019 #75

300,000 democrats in Florida voted for Bush Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #90

If Nader had not run , Gore would have won. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #94

Gore did what he could. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #83

"The highest court in the land" Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #107

SCOTUS is not going to pay attention to protestors. In fact, their job is to ehrnst Apr 2019 #110

Just as there was one protester at the "Court" Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #115

You lost me... ehrnst Apr 2019 #124

The information referred to... Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #149

I still have no idea what this "information" is. ehrnst Apr 2019 #150

I will "simplify" Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #152

That wasn't hard, now was it? So, are you going to answer the other question? ehrnst Apr 2019 #156

Certainly. Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #158

There are numerous political and investigative journalists who would be very interested in ehrnst Apr 2019 #159

Cool story bro Blues Heron Apr 2019 #154

Well do forgive me, but Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #155

Here you go: ehrnst Apr 2019 #157

What leaders are "afraid?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #71

What felony would have been committed? onenote Apr 2019 #7

I venture to say that it is against the law to give a subordinate a direct order to break the law. world wide wally Apr 2019 #14

I'm with you but not being an attorney, I am left with frustration and bewilderment. triron Apr 2019 #18

A mistake often made by non-lawyers. onenote Apr 2019 #33

I suspect the felony part would have been if they had done it despite a court order blocking them. cstanleytech Apr 2019 #40

It does not have to be a felony. It is an unlawful order. Agents are to uphold the laws of the vsrazdem Apr 2019 #49

For the third time. My comment was addressed only onenote Apr 2019 #60

It's a violation of the oath of office Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #16

Yes. But is it a felony? onenote Apr 2019 #30

It's an impeachable offense Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #43

But we need the Senate to remove him. We don't have that. ehrnst Apr 2019 #68

Nonsense. That's an excuse. We don't need a conviction if we expose him onit2day Apr 2019 #85

THIS nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #89

That is not true,.. and it could make him a sympathetic figure, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #95

No, it's not the public who convicts him. It's the GOP Senate. They believe that if they ehrnst Apr 2019 #120

Are we too smart to defend the Constitution? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #87

We don't have the tools because some voted for fucking Stein Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #96

Whoah there. better Apr 2019 #127

An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House decides it is at any given moment tritsofme Apr 2019 #99

Yes, indeed Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #122

The Presidential Oath of Office has a huge loophole for him. SeattleVet Apr 2019 #45

oh shit, thats the best answer i've read in a LONG time. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #61

But ignorance of the law is no excuse onit2day Apr 2019 #88

Plausible deniability is. That's why so many testify that "they didn't recall" doing that thing. ehrnst Apr 2019 #121

Doesn't have to be a felony, he can be impeach for violating the emoluments clause right now uponit7771 Apr 2019 #32

Again, I was only addressing the OP's assertion that Trump had committed a felony. onenote Apr 2019 #34

+1, ... Telling his lawyer, Cohen, to break the law ... that's in the public sphere. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #39

I would think that the AG lawsuits would need to be successful first. ehrnst Apr 2019 #46

It doesn't matter if the GOP Senate will not vote to remove him. ehrnst Apr 2019 #123

I reject the premise that it will be handing them anything seeing it's worked for GOP in the past uponit7771 Apr 2019 #128

As I said, Nancy Pelosi knows more than both of us combined. Her premise is ehrnst Apr 2019 #130

"They know more than us" has been done before and didn't work then ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #132

How many strawmen are being attacked here... ehrnst Apr 2019 #134

"Because you say so?" ... no facts do, lets look at them and agree on some uponit7771 Apr 2019 #136

You keep attacking strawmen, then extrapolating off the misrepresentation to faulty conclusions ehrnst Apr 2019 #137

You didn't address my position in the beginning of my post, without agree on that what are we ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #138

I told you that you misrepresented my statements... ehrnst Apr 2019 #139

There is hard evidence of emoluments violations, I said this too uponit7771 Apr 2019 #143

I wasn't talking about that. You know exactly what I was talking about. ehrnst Apr 2019 #145

"without hard evidence and bi-partisan support." ... there's hard evidence of emoluments clause ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #147

Again.... ehrnst Apr 2019 #151

Red Don isn't an un-indicted co-conspirator in case involving Cohen and payoffs?! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #160

Now you're moving the goalposts yet again. ehrnst Apr 2019 #161

I've not moved the goal post on "hard evidence" it doesn't matter what that evidence is ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #162

So now "it doesn't matter what the evidence is..." ehrnst Apr 2019 #163

Doesn't matter what the "hard evidence" is ... there is "hard evidence" ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #164

Actually, if you want someone to agree with you that there is "hard evidence" ehrnst Apr 2019 #165

" reliable sources" - The child kidnapping wasn't Red Don's policy? tia uponit7771 Apr 2019 #174

What does that even have to do with my reply? ehrnst Apr 2019 #175

Don't worry, Barr will write a memo on why it is legal. Blue_true Apr 2019 #8

The King has Spoken... spanone Apr 2019 #11

We will send a strongly worded memo superpatriotman Apr 2019 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2019 #72

Maybe this will be it..Maybe?. k and r. no text. Stuart G Apr 2019 #15

Trump told border agents to break U.S. law and defy judicial orders riversedge Apr 2019 #19

I hope when it comes time for a democrat, we give him/her the same leniency ffr Apr 2019 #22

I was against impeachment until the right time. BUT bluestarone Apr 2019 #23

Immediate subpoena here bluestarone Apr 2019 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Apr 2019 #36

There is no shortage of impeachable offenses. PufPuf23 Apr 2019 #25

Yep, until the GOP Repubs grow spines or a sense of ethics, we lack the ability to remove him ehrnst Apr 2019 #50

Nothing will impeach this fool, #GOTV is the only way. sarcasmo Apr 2019 #35

Can the president be impeached more than once? What if he commits more offense's after being katmondoo Apr 2019 #37

Put it in caps all you want. Tipperary Apr 2019 #38

There are no impeachable offenses Turbineguy Apr 2019 #41

The Senate acquits or convicts. BlueWI Apr 2019 #47

You are correct. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #57

Picking a fight we know we will lose is what the GOP did with the Benghazi "investigation." ehrnst Apr 2019 #73

... and they won with the "Benghazi" investigations too. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #103

Didn't win? What "Benghazi" investigation are you talking about? ehrnst Apr 2019 #111

So are we winning now? BlueWI Apr 2019 #166

You seem to think that there is some way that Democrats can "win" right now. ehrnst Apr 2019 #167

It's perfectly ok to agree to disagree. BlueWI Apr 2019 #168

Your post sounded emotional. ehrnst Apr 2019 #169

It is 100% condescending BlueWI Apr 2019 #171

You are perfectly free to disagree. ehrnst Apr 2019 #172

unless the president is a Democrat. barbtries Apr 2019 #69

If it's deposed it's still what's called hearsay, not necessarily evidence. Hearing what a president ancianita Apr 2019 #53

Past time to put Impeachment on the table. riversedge Apr 2019 #55

I wish that this would make a difference to Dorian Gray Apr 2019 #59

You have to wait until James48 Apr 2019 #62

And?? Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #74

Impeachable? SergeStorms Apr 2019 #77

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2019 #78

This was posted over 5 hours ago itsrobert Apr 2019 #80

Sorry but I'm disgusted that he's not under impeachment hearings NOW! YOHABLO Apr 2019 #97

We should have never let them get this far SHRED Apr 2019 #144

US Constitution: struggle4progress Apr 2019 #98

prima donnie follow the law?!? pfft. he knows better than LAWYERS! pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #104

He swore an oath to defend the Constitution, he's violating that oath. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #105

In Trump world, that was just called Monday. Vinca Apr 2019 #113

Apparently committing impeachable offenses no longer matters. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #114

Y'KNOW, this business of waiting until the repubs are on board w impeachment is starting to sound Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2019 #126

Trump has no respect for the law. lpbk2713 Apr 2019 #131

+9,000 oasis Apr 2019 #148

It doesn't matter... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #135

republicans.. go after republicans.. everywhere THEY are to blame.. pangaia Apr 2019 #140

Lawlessness without any consequence is a feature of Trumplandia. VOX Apr 2019 #146

But if you are a brain addled celebrity President, they (the GOP) let you do it! Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #153

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