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shanny

(6,709 posts)
23. I luv Joe...but he is the past.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 11:48 PM
Feb 2019

It is not his age, it is that the nation and the party have moved on. There's Anita Hill, which resonates very strongly and negatively now with Barf Kavanaugh on the Court. There's Bill Clinton's soul-destroying crime bill, which he supported. There's the truly awful bankruptcy bill, which looks horrific and corporatist in the face of stagnant wages, soaring debt and a generation that is worse off than their parents. All the fire, and energy, on our side of the aisle is coming from people Biden's past positions have hurt. (and remember that when he has run on his own he has gotten nowhere).

The Obama years were an era of attempted bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle. It didn't work, we are not going back there, we are in the fight for our lives and the planet and Joe just isn't the guy. We can't just try to turn back the clock and return to those years. Those years weren't working! for too many. And Biden, fairly or unfairly, represents that time.

If he's in for another stint as VP, I'm all for it; he did a good job. If he's in as a surrogate and happy warrior supporting our nominee and trashing theirs, bring it on. But not at the top of the ticket. His time is past (and we wouldn't even be considering him were it not for the veep years.)

My two cents.

He's the immediate frontrunner madville Feb 2019 #1
I'm split between Joe and Kamala at the moment. RandySF Feb 2019 #2
Kamala is my first choice because I think 2020 is a year to look forward, not back. I love Joe TeamPooka Feb 2019 #39
But Joe can immediately repair the damage to our alliances RandySF Feb 2019 #40
Pretty much any of our nominees can do that. TeamPooka Feb 2019 #43
I prefer her as a VP candidate...have serious worries whether any woman can get elected in a general Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #91
"the attacks are going to be immediate" PatSeg Feb 2019 #30
I'm talking about attacks from our side madville Feb 2019 #34
Oh yes PatSeg Feb 2019 #35
I agree madville Feb 2019 #37
He is certainly PatSeg Feb 2019 #45
The right recycled all the fake Clinton scandals from the 90s NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #68
That is true PatSeg Feb 2019 #70
Bad idea. shanny Feb 2019 #3
Care to expound? Below I gave a pretty good list of why I support him. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #11
I luv Joe...but he is the past. shanny Feb 2019 #23
Agreed with every point. sharedvalues Feb 2019 #47
Reality is that gun violence and retaining Obama's ACA R B Garr Feb 2019 #58
+1 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #95
Very well stated. honest.abe Feb 2019 #72
Not really. Cha Feb 2019 #12
Is he not "pure" enough Apollyonus Feb 2019 #61
Asked and answered. Yesterday. shanny Feb 2019 #74
I have always admired him. bdamomma Feb 2019 #4
Me too In It to Win It Feb 2019 #16
Yippee!!! LakeArenal Feb 2019 #5
Well, I hope so. He will have my support For a few reasons. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #6
I like it riverine Feb 2019 #8
Definitely, the win is imperative... and Joe's not the only one who can. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #51
I totally agree with you. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #86
Exactly we need to win bdamomma Feb 2019 #67
Good. Drahthaardogs Feb 2019 #7
He's been vetted to hell and back. MontanaMama Feb 2019 #32
Biden-Harris? CousinIT Feb 2019 #9
That is my choice too. Perfect ticket. Plus it's possible Joe may run for one term. Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #22
I like Biden. musicblind Feb 2019 #10
We are truly fortunate PatSeg Feb 2019 #33
He wouldn't make my top three with those currently announced. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #13
His number will only go down? Why? He can win the wall. dem4decades Feb 2019 #31
Yes, his current number will only go down as others name recognition increases. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #60
Great! Qutzupalotl Feb 2019 #14
I would consider that a good thing. David__77 Feb 2019 #15
I love Uncle Joe.... Adrahil Feb 2019 #17
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #19
Joe Biden is a great guy. I met him durig the Obama campaigns...very talanted politician...and Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #18
How about Stacy Abrams for VP? NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #69
I lover her. I was thinking she would run for the Senate maybe ...but she is great no matter what. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #78
I like Gillum a lot as well NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #79
That is a good point. I agree. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #85
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #20
Let the Democratic voters decide Apollyonus Feb 2019 #65
Our next president needs to be a two term president. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #21
This "transitional president" plan that some are floating is just silly. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #29
It doesn't go over very well with me, that's for sure. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #50
I disagree; this is a unique chance to have what we really need, a President with the experience to LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #71
He gives someone like Warren a better shot by splitting the more moderate vote. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #24
I'm not thrilled with this Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #25
There are reasons younger and less experienced people become POTUS. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #28
Release the Biden! Zoonart Feb 2019 #26
We need someone who will garner the forces and hold the traitor's balls to the wall. woodsprite Feb 2019 #27
K&R...👍🏼 spanone Feb 2019 #36
We need Biden to counterbalance the Sanders agenda a little bit BluegrassDem Feb 2019 #38
The Sanders agenda? You mean the one most current candidates have adopted from him, which include InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #55
"no matter how unrealistic it is." R B Garr Feb 2019 #57
"adopted from him" jcgoldie Feb 2019 #64
All part of our platform going back several decades. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #93
I love the guy but please no Trenzalore Feb 2019 #41
+1 honest.abe Feb 2019 #62
He has my vote. Doreen Feb 2019 #42
I would prefer he did not run, radius777 Feb 2019 #44
Run Joe Run!! quickesst Feb 2019 #46
I doubt he'll win in the general AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #48
I like Biden and he is much liked by the rustbelt. Clinton (unfairly as her husband did NAFTA) was Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #80
We won the midterms with new faces Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #49
These were midterm races not statewide races. So I think the comparison is not relevent. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #82
I like Joe. I'm just not enthusiastic about him. I'm not sure the country will be either. Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #89
this is pure gossip jodymarie aimee Feb 2019 #52
Good for Joe, good for us BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #53
Joe is our only link back to the positive positions of the Obama years. dubyadiprecession Feb 2019 #54
American Possibilities... handmade34 Feb 2019 #56
I will support whoever my fellow Dems nominate. I will say age matters. That's a fact. apcalc Feb 2019 #59
I love Joe but its time to move on. honest.abe Feb 2019 #63
Nearly every single president has left office before turning 70. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #81
Trump has changed the age thing...and I do think Biden can win a general. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #83
Yes, Trump has changed the age thing and so much more. R B Garr Feb 2019 #88
I think he has a shot at winning a general and will have coattails....important decision who the VP Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #90
No Trump has not changed the age thing. apcalc Feb 2019 #94
As soon as he does, people will begin talking about reasons MineralMan Feb 2019 #66
Old age can strike down anyone especially if trying to work under enormous stress. BSdetect Feb 2019 #73
Finally, an 76 year old straight cis-gendered white Christian guy is here hughee99 Feb 2019 #75
I here ya. JenniferJuniper Feb 2019 #76
I could support Joe Biden Gothmog Feb 2019 #77
Me too. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #84
I will cheer on Uncle Joe Runningdawg Feb 2019 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Feb 2019 #92
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