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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
33. Fraud laws are flexible enough.
Wed Jan 4, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jan 2012

There is no doubt the ratings agencies participated in fraud to label as AAA securities the banks knew would fail and they were paid to not evaluate. Their "freedom of opinion" defense can be overcome. Fraud is always presumed to be creative. (Read the Black stuff.)

In fact, these disgusting SEC settlements in the Goldman/Paulson and recent Citi cases, wherein the animals intentionally packaged and sold securities they knew would fail and also bet against them, are all about letting the criminals go free without acknowledging what they've done for a tiny fraction of their winnings.

Then there are the millions of frauds with mortgage title through MERS. Once again, many AGs are moving to let them get away with it by allowing a "settlement" for a tiny fraction of the damage done.

The authorities in the US arrest thousands of people every year on suspicion of having small quantities of drugs. If $500,000 of marijuana was thought to be at Goldman Sachs, the place would be raided and a whole bunch of people who would later get off altogether would in the meantime be hogtied and spend a night or two in jail. This can be a life-changing experience. The presumption of the police and prosecutors would be that the whole place is a criminal organization; let the courts sort out who gets a presumption of innocence. That's how it works in real life with minor drug cases. Yet frauds worth trillions emanated from these places and they are treated with extreme deference and respect. Even small punishments for these criminals would mean so much, compared to that. It really doesn't take much of a punishment to deter a great many white-collar criminals. But when instead you rescue their criminal enterprises and make sure they get their bonuses and invite them to continue their plunder operations, they will do worse every time.

The Tea Party crowd wants Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and other government/elected officials banned from Kos Jan 2012 #1
So it's the Tea Party's fault that no SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #3
Did you read the OP? The Tea Party doesn't give a fuck about prosecuting any banker from banned from Kos Jan 2012 #4
Because they want people to believe the government abelenkpe Jan 2012 #5
Can you name the specific crimes?? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #7
William Black disagrees with you dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #10
The problem is that proving Fraud is incredibly difficult. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #14
Did you even read the article? dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #29
sorry this escaped me abelenkpe Jan 2012 #32
Of course. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #34
Fraud laws are flexible enough. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #33
Yup, same could be said for the Bush administration SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #2
It legitimizes the far right and "libertarians" MFrohike Jan 2012 #6
Agreed. And what did failing to even CHARGE war criminals for torture? Bonobo Jan 2012 #8
This is an OP you can believe in... good subject, kpete MrMickeysMom Jan 2012 #9
It is fine to blame the elected officials malaise Jan 2012 #11
I blame the Congress, they controlled the purse strings and deliberately unfunded the regulators. freshwest Jan 2012 #15
People should be prosecuted for breaking the law, not because you don't like their faces. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #12
One could make the argument that they were committing theft... Taitertots Jan 2012 #13
"relaxed"? Try DEregulated. "Entirely legitimate"? getdown Jan 2012 #17
What do you think "legitimate" means? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #19
more than getdown Jan 2012 #21
Do you think that people who have done things that aren't illegal should be prosecuted? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #22
I think getdown Jan 2012 #23
Do you think they should be prosecuted, as the OP called for? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #24
criminals should be prosecuted getdown Jan 2012 #26
And people whose actions were not illegal, but still don't meet your definition of legitimate? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #27
already answered that getdown Jan 2012 #28
No, you've very carefully avoided answering it. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #30
i answered getdown Jan 2012 #31
Indeed fascisthunter Jan 2012 #16
aren't these the people getdown Jan 2012 #18
All of this is based on one premise treestar Jan 2012 #20
You're highlighting the need for RICO. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #35
K&R! Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #25
Rather blame the economic system which puts them in an unassailable position. blindpig Jan 2012 #36
Absolutely! Quantess Jan 2012 #37
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