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relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
53. Side comment
Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:00 PM
Feb 2019

I'm on Medicare, I'm for medicare for all, but it has some serious issues that need to be fixed also, both in terms of what is covered and how much, and in terms of who takes it. And also who has political control over who gets what. Presumably the part about who takes it, would not be an issue if that's the only way Dr's get paid, unless the Dr is completely private, which a lot of good ones may do. (Think private school vs public school). One of those, be careful what you wish for issues, there is a LOT of work to be done.

Note, however, that the real root of the problem, created under Reagan, is this corporate/GOP concept of "managed care", where bureaucrat X, where-ever they are located, private or public, has the right to define who gets what procedures and where you can buy prescriptions and for how much, etc. This intervention in medical treatment should be considered malpractice, IMO, since the people making these decisions are not your doctor and have, for the most part, never seen you, nor know anyone's specific needs.

This is to say nothing of the enormous extra costs involved in denying something, then having it appealed, blah, blah. Millions are thrown away due to this, presumably in the hopes enough people will give up or die that the net savings are OK. Plus, as an example, the insurance company tried to convince me to get a particular procedure, and it was unclear as to whether it was necessary. The procedure cost $50k+. A test to verify whether the procedure was even helpful or even called for was denied. The test cost $450. I paid the $450 in cash and the tests were administered by a very nice and funny woman who muttered "bastards" every single time the word "insurance" or any insurance company name was spoken. As it turned out, no need for the procedure at all, in fact, it would have increased my risks with my heart problems significantly. Bear in mind that GOP created managed care will likely result in no funding for birth control, abortions, or other sorts of things they deem politically intolerable, as long as they have the power to do so. Medicare needs to be kept somehow independent of the political process, and good luck with that.

The real solution to these last problems is that this "managed" part needs to go, and whoever is handling the funding needs to do ONLY that. FUND. I get there are cheats. If someone has evidence of fraud that can stand up in court, then intervene, b all means. Otherwise ... stay the hell out of our healthcare issues, whether government or private.

BECAUSE of the "it will cost 30 trillion dollars!" bullshit. elleng Feb 2019 #1
The GOP knows that lies work. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #19
Yes, and they play on them constantly. elleng Feb 2019 #21
"I got mine. F*ck everyone else!" fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #2
Yep n/t Strelnikov_ Feb 2019 #5
When half the people have insurance through work and are R B Garr Feb 2019 #31
I have a 20% co-pay on my insurance. yardwork Feb 2019 #60
I just had an operation and paid zero. R B Garr Feb 2019 #63
If Medicare For All becomes reality, then companies will no longer give health care benefits FakeNoose Feb 2019 #70
That's why I said the plan needs more concrete talk R B Garr Feb 2019 #72
Good shanti Feb 2019 #75
Agreed MarcA Feb 2019 #80
More like "I got mine and I'll be even happier if I take your's too." Texin Feb 2019 #38
You just described my father-in-law to a "T" Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2019 #82
And that's not just Medicare. It's "I'm white and european, and I got mine." Get out of my country. erronis Feb 2019 #39
This. Sad NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #49
I'm Eighty Years Old Cheviteau Feb 2019 #55
Was the post directed at you? fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #61
agree with you. We are over 65 and use Medicare.I am all for Medicare for all. demigoddess Feb 2019 #66
I concur charliea Feb 2019 #67
The OP specifically referred to GOP voters, which in that case I think the OP is correct, ooky Feb 2019 #69
Yep x 100000000000000 rpannier Feb 2019 #62
In the case of right wing voters, I think you are right. ooky Feb 2019 #71
That's exactly it. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #81
because they are afraid that by adding in people who haven't been paying in for years dsc Feb 2019 #3
You are only paying for part A hospital beds. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #11
I am 51 dsc Feb 2019 #16
Like I said nobody knows what Medicare for all means. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #41
The part B premium for 2019 is $135.50/month or $1626 for the year. WillowTree Feb 2019 #77
You are correct. Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #58
Yes, they are afraid they will be short-changed. What they don't understand is that everybody else pnwmom Feb 2019 #17
Those are the same people on Medicare that hated Obamacare and said doc03 Feb 2019 #4
Most of these older right wingers Ohiogal Feb 2019 #6
But any medicare-for-all plan would have those under 65 paying into the plan scheming daemons Feb 2019 #13
I think this is correct MichMan Feb 2019 #36
Most people I know who are on Medicare want everyone else to have it PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #7
Most people you know who are on Medicare aren't the majority. Mariana Feb 2019 #24
I tend not to associate with such people. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #34
I don't blame you a bit. nt. Mariana Feb 2019 #40
not this guy onethatcares Feb 2019 #42
Maybe they think everyone else is unworthy procon Feb 2019 #8
I like to point out John McCain as an example of this. world wide wally Feb 2019 #64
At this point nobody knows what Medicare for all is. wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #9
"Socialized medicine" luvtheGWN Feb 2019 #68
I have nothing against socialized anything. I just want wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #90
I'm on Medicare and I support M4All riverwalker Feb 2019 #10
I want people to have it, but a lot of folks aren't going to be happy Hoyt Feb 2019 #12
I had private insurance and then got Medicare. I see no difference at all, in fact, Medicare Raven Feb 2019 #14
If that were true, we'd be hearing lots of stories Mariana Feb 2019 #27
Medicare-for-All means no more employer paid insurance. Now if you are talking Public Option, that's Hoyt Feb 2019 #35
People who retire at 65 and go on Medicare Mariana Feb 2019 #37
If they still work, in most cases the employer plan is still primary. You are missing the point, Hoyt Feb 2019 #45
Paying for it is the least of my concerns ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #15
"M4A" will never work. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #22
I saw a 'why are drugs so $$$' today and a Dumper said, 'Because we have to pay for the ones who get CurtEastPoint Feb 2019 #18
Do you have any polling of people currently on Medicare DURHAM D Feb 2019 #20
See below response. scheming daemons Feb 2019 #26
your conclusion is drivel nt DURHAM D Feb 2019 #30
Where was this reported? Basic LA Feb 2019 #23
Trump approval rating by age scheming daemons Feb 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Kajun Gal Feb 2019 #78
Exactly. DURHAM D Feb 2019 #29
Today is my 70th birthday and I've always been for a Medicare-for-all system. Vinca Feb 2019 #28
Happy Birthday! Dem2theMax Feb 2019 #59
Thanks. 70 is the new 50 (I'm telling myself). Vinca Feb 2019 #76
You are very welcome! Dem2theMax Feb 2019 #79
A lot of them really don't understand how dysfunctional our system is Mariana Feb 2019 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author dawg day Feb 2019 #33
Part of it is because we've been paying into it for 50 years and it works. Perhaps.... George II Feb 2019 #43
"good, efficient system" progressoid Feb 2019 #65
It's an extremely efficient system... charliea Feb 2019 #73
I'm not against it. I think it's great. It's the way it's supposed to work. PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #44
Cost. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #46
Because "Medicare for all" is not Medicare for all dansolo Feb 2019 #47
medicare for all pamdb Feb 2019 #48
you know it's not free, right? Hamlette Feb 2019 #50
I love Medicare because they leave me alone HockeyMom Feb 2019 #51
Brainwashing and incessant false arguments. I agree with the underlying premise, we are c-rational Feb 2019 #52
Side comment relayerbob Feb 2019 #53
I hear/read you. But managed care greatly reduced the rate paid to providers, stopped them from Hoyt Feb 2019 #56
Nice try relayerbob Feb 2019 #83
That's all you have? Hoyt Feb 2019 #84
What more do I need? relayerbob Feb 2019 #85
Truthfully, I think you have term "managed competition" -- which was Reagan and GOPers' BS answer to Hoyt Feb 2019 #87
We're on Medicare and appreciate the health insurance. We pay about $120 each for Medicare. Yet, CharleyDog Feb 2019 #54
medicare for all pamdb Feb 2019 #57
Here's another fun fact: no you can't just "lower the medicare age to 0" brooklynite Feb 2019 #74
A Single Risk Pool Equals a Health Care System. Ron Green Feb 2019 #86
Good question ck4829 Feb 2019 #88
They falsely think other people having it will mean they will get less care KWR65 Feb 2019 #89
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