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Jake Stern

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57. Please enlighten me, oh great political wizard

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:10 PM

Dec 2018

How to win as a Democrat in a statewide race in a cherry red state where the electorate is 80%+ white and Trump won by almost 20 points.

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Claire McCaskill Hates on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez From Outside Congress... [View all] demmiblue Dec 2018 OP

"This is white feminism" Really?! No, this is the pain of losing and handling it badly. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #1

Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't... but I have appreciated Zerlina Maxwell's voice on MSNBC. demmiblue Dec 2018 #4

Even when she calls a sitting Democratic Senator a "shady asshole"? George II Dec 2018 #8

"Shady asshole" wasn't from Zerlina. Basement Beat Dec 2018 #81

I realize that, but the article linked in the OP is from theroot, written by.... George II Dec 2018 #89

Didn't McCaskill say "I hope she hangs the moon"? kstewart33 Dec 2018 #142

agree, the media seems to have blown it out of proportions in effort to make a baity headline onetexan Dec 2018 #144

Well said. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #153

What's with calling Senator Claire McCaskill "a shady asshole"? What's the point of this OP? George II Dec 2018 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Dec 2018 #16

We know the point, dont we. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #68

The Root article is way out of line. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #128

no hate in evidence. is theroot a $ making for profit site? nt msongs Dec 2018 #3

They sure don't know much about Congress.... George II Dec 2018 #7

Interesting. I don't think many here are aware of this (nt) question everything Dec 2018 #66

Good Post Gothmog Dec 2018 #70

Not a fan of the root. cwydro Dec 2018 #61

What do you have against "The Root"? brush Dec 2018 #69

People who were very vocally against Hillary last election. cwydro Dec 2018 #74

Do you mean a particular writer or the whole site? brush Dec 2018 #79

Actually, I enjoy reading content from numerous sites. Even if I don't like everything written. cwydro Dec 2018 #84

Michael Harriot. Yep. demmiblue Dec 2018 #85

So put down the writer not the whole African American site. Some might get the wrong idea. brush Dec 2018 #88

"Some might get the wrong idea?" cwydro Dec 2018 #100

I'm SMH that you don't get putting down a whole AA site instead of the writer... brush Dec 2018 #107

Sorry you don't seem to like to hear differing opinions. cwydro Dec 2018 #131

So we can expect to hear the same from you for every posting from... brush Dec 2018 #135

this is how we become divided. is this what we really want? samnsara Dec 2018 #5

OMG. demmiblue Dec 2018 #6

Really? Autumn Dec 2018 #15

It's also how we lose elections. Xolodno Dec 2018 #25

+1000 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #90

Yeah, that's helpful FiveGoodMen Dec 2018 #9

That perspective is a little outdated doncha think? We just won with a huge blue wave. brush Dec 2018 #71

I wonder if McCaskill had the guts of AOC, would she have won AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #10

A small difference of an extra (or lack of) X chromosome question everything Dec 2018 #18

As I noted elsewhere here, she is the ONLY woman elected Senator in Missouri, and the first..... George II Dec 2018 #21

I wonder if AOC had run in Missouri, would she have won? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #24

Exactly, McCaskill is just saying that talking about abstract R B Garr Dec 2018 #28

Are you saying AOC is talking about abstract things? - Free health care and free college womanofthehills Dec 2018 #112

Yet Vermont has rejected all of that. So much for talking.... R B Garr Dec 2018 #122

So you are saying Medicare for all and free tuition can never happen in the USA? womanofthehills Dec 2018 #123

Takes 60 votes in the Senate for free tuition. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #130

She is saying that Missouri is not New York. R B Garr Dec 2018 #132

Well, she actively campaigned in Missouri against an incumbent Democratic Congressman.... George II Dec 2018 #38

And campaigned in Kansas against Sharice Davids and sent an email dismissing her as a "corporate EffieBlack Dec 2018 #41

A "corporate lawyer" who worked on Native American reservations at a reduced rate.... George II Dec 2018 #44

She left that part out ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #46

I remember this also Gothmog Dec 2018 #72

I hope AOC ignores McCaskills advice, it would just be one more thing for people to hate on her Autumn Dec 2018 #11

No, she made those comments about Democratic Representative that. Why do you have to read...... George II Dec 2018 #19

I didn't say anything about age but I should have. That what people accused AOC of doing. Autumn Dec 2018 #23

Yes you did.... George II Dec 2018 #26

LOL EffieBlack Dec 2018 #31

Who is the young Latina woman woman George? Certainly not McCaskill. Autumn Dec 2018 #35

Oh gawd...................... George II Dec 2018 #39

George, Claire said it outright, she implied nothing. Don't hit yourself too hard. Autumn Dec 2018 #45

She didn't say she was "young" (you did), didn't say she was "Latina" (you did)... George II Dec 2018 #47

Nope. As an old Latina I object to a young Latina being referred to as a thing, a shiny new object. Autumn Dec 2018 #55

Another friendly suggestion - why not go to the video or full transcript from where .... George II Dec 2018 #60

I didn't click on the link by The Root. I posted Claire's complete comments with a link. Autumn Dec 2018 #91

I said that as an old Latina, ME, it offends me to see a young Latina, AOC Autumn Dec 2018 #96

And I asked you why you had to drag age and ethnicity into the discussion. That has nothing.... George II Dec 2018 #97

I told you. I'm an old Latina woman and it offends me to see a young Latina woman Autumn Dec 2018 #99

Why is McCaskill telling AOC she should pay attention to white voters? - that's bizarro!! womanofthehills Dec 2018 #113

I did, which is an article from The Hill that apparently quotes from the same interview.... George II Dec 2018 #92

"most likely took place at separate times of the interview" melman Dec 2018 #103

Yeah George, young Latina.. old Latina. That's your focus. Autumn Dec 2018 #105

No it's not, it's YOUR focus. I didn't bring any of that into the conversation, you did. To me.... George II Dec 2018 #106

Ya, you did. nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #102

+1 apcalc Dec 2018 #30

Sorry, Claire. She won her election. MineralMan Dec 2018 #12

Yeah as a Dem in a cobalt blue D-29 district Jake Stern Dec 2018 #48

And who will be taking her seat in the House on January 3? MineralMan Dec 2018 #49

Immaterial. Claire already proved herself many times over how to win in a cherry red state Jake Stern Dec 2018 #54

she proved you can beat foot-in-mouth opponents. as a Missourian Kurt V. Dec 2018 #63

Her real victory was in the primary crazycatlady Dec 2018 #95

It's a very "impressive feat" that a Latina working women won a primary with not much money womanofthehills Dec 2018 #114

this. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #62

This is really low question everything Dec 2018 #75

OMG melman Dec 2018 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author question everything Dec 2018 #111

OMG #2 womanofthehills Dec 2018 #117

No, it's not. MineralMan Dec 2018 #137

Yup. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #138

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #13

I'm not confused. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #14

McCaskill won against odds, in 2012 in a red state. question everything Dec 2018 #17

And McCaskill lost in 2018 so the people in her state obviously weren't all that happy with her Autumn Dec 2018 #20

You're forgetting her courageous vote against Kavanaugh was a big reason she lost. brush Dec 2018 #77

Any woman should have voted against Kavanaugh, or any man for that matter. Autumn Dec 2018 #82

Several women voted for him. Don't brush off too lightly that she knew there would... brush Dec 2018 #87

In a Trumpian state? question everything Dec 2018 #110

Trumpian state whatever. Someone Trump campaigned for lost to a Dem, McCaskill lost her race. Autumn Dec 2018 #115

Yes, she won in 2006 AND in 2012. She was the first Democrat elected to the Senate since 1980... George II Dec 2018 #34

Cripes, all MacCaskill was saying is that not everyone runs R B Garr Dec 2018 #22

Cripes - AOC won a very hard primary womanofthehills Dec 2018 #118

LOL, the stats are out there for some time and even AOC R B Garr Dec 2018 #121

Actually, the turnout was a bit higher than they expected womanofthehills Dec 2018 #145

It is documented that it was quite low. It was the low turnout R B Garr Dec 2018 #150

Actually her advice was specifically aimed Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #139

The title says she was "hating" on her, which is laughable R B Garr Dec 2018 #140

You're dumping on McCaskill? Seriously? apcalc Dec 2018 #27

+1, plus this looks to be a few days old. I think it was on R B Garr Dec 2018 #32

McCaskill was very critical of AOC - then tacked on something positive womanofthehills Dec 2018 #119

Critical part of the quote ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #29

This part is crucial too. "I'm a little confused why she's the thing," a "bright, shiny new object" Autumn Dec 2018 #40

Yes, that was already included in the OP EffieBlack Dec 2018 #50

But you didn't find that part crucial did you? That's a lot of substance you left out. Autumn Dec 2018 #67

Someone sounds a bit jealous. Vinca Dec 2018 #33

👍👍👍 Irishxs Dec 2018 #42

Never Trusted McCaskill-Always seemed to be playing too close to gop Irishxs Dec 2018 #36

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2018 #52

Please enlighten me, oh great political wizard Jake Stern Dec 2018 #57

She lost because she voted against Kavanaugh. Try to remember. brush Dec 2018 #83

Care to point to an actual vote you object to? brooklynite Dec 2018 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #37

Apparently anything short of falling all over oneself at someone's awesomeness is now "hate." EffieBlack Dec 2018 #43

Yes, here we go again NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #78

It's the same people on every AOC post doing the criticism. womanofthehills Dec 2018 #116

Sure wish she'd turn that fire in her belly loose on the other side Jake Stern Dec 2018 #124

AOL and Brent Welder both worked on Bernie's presidential campaign womanofthehills Dec 2018 #146

I'd like to see a public forum conversation between the two eleny Dec 2018 #51

The Hill had a less inflammatory version of this. Even then, I thought The Hill was sh*t stirring. Eugene Dec 2018 #53

Author of article needs to settle down. Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #56

IMO a stupid thread and sorry I wasted time reading through it and the comments. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #58

AOC hasn't even taken her seat in Congress. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #59

Perhaps she needs to learn her job. Skidmore Dec 2018 #64

What are you talking about? Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #93

And my post title is a response to that. ntpost Skidmore Dec 2018 #98

Well sheshe2 Dec 2018 #109

Bad look, McCaskill. AOC needs to prove herself and her bone fides once she takes office... FreepFryer Dec 2018 #65

If you factor in election fraud, then it's entirely possible that McCaskill actually won. A quick diva77 Dec 2018 #76

McGaskill loses a red state, she's a has-been who needs to shut up and go away EffieBlack Dec 2018 #104

O'Rourke is busy down on the border helping people get housing - he's not attacking other Dems womanofthehills Dec 2018 #120

Attacking other Dems is why people question AOC. R B Garr Dec 2018 #134

Actually, the primary turnout was slighiy higher than expected which is why AOL won womanofthehills Dec 2018 #147

Her own acknowledgement is that it was extraordinarily R B Garr Dec 2018 #149

McCaskill is a little confused about a lot of stuff imo. shanny Dec 2018 #80

See ya, Claire! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #101

Crappy article, creating divisiveness from nowhere. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #108

It's always a double edged sword for dems running in red states. tavernier Dec 2018 #125

Some of our lucky blue staters have no idea what it takes to for a Dem to win in a deep red state. redstateblues Dec 2018 #126

I'd like to see AOC campaigning for a Senate seat in Missouri. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #157

Before trashing McCaskill, you might see the entire interview. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #127

No one reads anything in full anymore nini Dec 2018 #141

Free college in state universities can happen in two yrs if we take back the Senate womanofthehills Dec 2018 #148

How do we take back the Senate? kstewart33 Dec 2018 #154

Does anyone really take part in this mass nonsense? DFW Dec 2018 #129

Bingo, DFW. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #155

I think reality is dawning on her already. DFW Dec 2018 #158

Bye Felicia! Quemado Dec 2018 #133

I'm not sure anyone is hating on anyone here Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2018 #136

To bad she didn't speak up more samplegirl Dec 2018 #143

I met Sen. McCaskill at a party once, she seemed personable. I think it may have been just before juxtaposed Dec 2018 #151

AOC tweets about disappointment in McCaskill - plus - McCaskill backing Trump on caravan womanofthehills Dec 2018 #152

Wow. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #156