Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
57. Obama was not perfect. He should have gone after Bush II and Cheney and that would have rectified
Sun Dec 9, 2018, 09:24 AM
Dec 2018

some very wrong-minded views that the Right held that incentivized their supporters. Failing to do so even plagued his own administration, not to mention that it set the stage for the back channeling bullshit that created a Trump Administration. In other words, Obama was not on the offensive, which is why, politically, he was rolled over on issues like appointing a judge to the Supreme Court, and why he didn't have a foundation established to flip-off Mitch McConnell when he wouldn't stand by his side to tell us about a Russian threat. That's how I see it.

And, I understand that part of the reason for the choices Obama made might have been due because he was not connecting directly with those of us who would have stood by his side on this issue. Jesus, we would have been fierce supporters. Obama was perfect in every other way.

However, the lesson that I see that we should heed from that time: If your will is not strong enough to fight for the justice that you believe is owed to you, don't expect others to view your decision to step away from the estocada as anything but a sign of weakness. No argument professing that you did it because of high ideals is going to make a difference to them, because you have already taken yourself out of the equation in their perceptions. They will judge you by your actions, not by the reasons you give them. And, they will assume that we really didn't think that what Trump did was bad, that he really could kill someone in Time's square and the only thing the Dems will do is a collective Scream. No big deal, from their point of view because they have their own mob to drown us out.

I have to laugh because I know the Dem leadership's next move. They are all going to ask us to start playing nice and help mend the divide in this country, because, lord, we haven't been slapped in the face enough by the Right. The Right are not concerned about civility, in case anyone has failed to notice. The leadership might say a thing or two about it, but we really should be paying attention to what they do, not what they say.

If we have the facts, the House must act delisen Dec 2018 #1
+1,000 llmart Dec 2018 #2
Exactly. Scarsdale Dec 2018 #8
Is my sarcasm detector broken? bitterross Dec 2018 #5
Trump does not, Butterflylady Dec 2018 #9
I agree with you about Clinton vs. Trump. bitterross Dec 2018 #12
I'm of the same mind...... MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #54
I think you raise very important points. delisen Dec 2018 #13
The 45 cult is not very large despite what the media tries to portray them as. llmart Dec 2018 #16
The GOP Senators are still afraid of them. Still involved in the conspiracy. bitterross Dec 2018 #18
THAT is probably MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #55
The Mueller investigation is almost over, so the House will get the facts as they get started. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #19
Great protest slogan: "We have the facts! The House must act!" nt AndJusticeForSome Dec 2018 #26
Good one! MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #56
"The House must not pre-judge whether the Senate will vote to convict or not. " brooklynite Dec 2018 #44
It worked out pretty much exactly as you would expect impeaching a president for a bj would work out KelleyKramer Dec 2018 #52
I Trust Nancy Pelosi dlk Dec 2018 #3
Well, except for that time when she said there Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #7
The statement "Impeachment is off the table." was a... lame54 Dec 2018 #11
Precisely. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #20
Bernie Sanders on impeachment: "Jumping the gun does nobody any good. ... You don't want betsuni Dec 2018 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author bitterross Dec 2018 #4
I strongly disagree. If there is no chance the Senate will vote to impeach it is a waste of taxpayer Nitram Dec 2018 #6
It's time the Democratic Party stands for something. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #10
Wrong. You've got some nice slogans and bumper stickers. Those don't win elections, and they don't Nitram Dec 2018 #29
We're fighting on the same side. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #37
Talking point: The Democratic Party doesn't stand for anything. betsuni Dec 2018 #33
Nice to know you think the Democratic Party stands for nothing GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #46
I agree Nasruddin Dec 2018 #14
There have only been two impeachments, think4yourself Dec 2018 #17
Impeachment is not "a failed instrument." It requires a majority of both houses. If it didn't, Nitram Dec 2018 #30
I think McConnell is hoping for exactly that: for the Dems to be judged by the electorate, Texin Dec 2018 #15
We will appear weak if we don't do our jobs. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #22
So Obama was weak. Got it. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #47
Obama was not perfect. He should have gone after Bush II and Cheney and that would have rectified Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #57
Suffice to say I think you are off base with several of you beliefs. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #63
Your concern is duly noted. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #64
"that's how the Democrats have been viewed since Lieberman's time." betsuni Dec 2018 #51
To pretend it's a novel idea is disingenuous Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #60
Thank you for wading into the breach Ponietz Dec 2018 #21
The hate machine has never for one minute stopped attacking Democratic leaders and candidates. Nitram Dec 2018 #31
Or what, Baitball? If our leaders are far too smart Hortensis Dec 2018 #23
They keep making the same weak decisions Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #24
Baitball, we're a whole month out from the midterms. Hortensis Dec 2018 #38
Fine people I am sure. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #40
Baitball, when people are asked how they're doing, Hortensis Dec 2018 #41
I don't think this is going anywhere, as far as a discussion is concerned. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #42
We have a large constituency. Not all agree with you. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #49
The concept of Democrats as weak is not a novel. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #58
Hard facts? But you have none, Bait. Reality refutes your claims. Hortensis Dec 2018 #50
Stop trying to use the "Straight out of the Republican playbook" meme to diffuse my arguement Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #59
Yep. I'm waiting for the 'both parties are the same' to drop GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #62
Your last paragraph reflection Dec 2018 #25
Simply put... Snackshack Dec 2018 #27
. . and . . Strelnikov_ Dec 2018 #34
I hope you are right Snackshack Dec 2018 #35
I trust Pelosi to judge all the variables and then decide how to proceed. nt elfin Dec 2018 #28
Impeachment without a conviction is not meaningless, as some are claiming. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #36
If Trump is not impeached, I predict there will be another GOP POTUS PufPuf23 Dec 2018 #39
Agree with all your points. Every non-action creates opportunity. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #45
You realize you just blamed republican actions on Democrats? GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #65
I don't agree with your framing of my response. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #66
But you whole 'position' is an attack on democratic leaders GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #67
I am so sorry you are taking this so personally. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #68
No - it's not brooklynite Dec 2018 #43
Lindsay Graham voted to impeach Clinton JonLP24 Dec 2018 #48
Nice anti-Democratic talking points! betsuni Dec 2018 #53
We are not going to improve unless you can take criticism. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #61
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Stop politicizing the ove...»Reply #57