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Eliot Rosewater

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8. More bashing democrats, I see.

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Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:32 PM

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Great essay written by a billionaire Dem [View all] FuzzyRabbit Aug 2018 OP

Really? Cary Aug 2018 #1

Did you read the article? FuzzyRabbit Aug 2018 #6

Nope. Cary Aug 2018 #15

i read what you wrote 0rganism Aug 2018 #25

I read the article. It IS the same old same old. He lists these policies: Squinch Aug 2018 #131

It's not meant for informed voters. Hortensis Aug 2018 #143

I guess not. I have lately begun to realize that many of those Squinch Aug 2018 #145

For old broken records, sure. :) Hortensis Aug 2018 #147

This is what you missed zipplewrath Aug 2018 #54

Why do you point to the same old same old and decree it as something fresh and new? Cary Aug 2018 #55

Still haven't read it huh? zipplewrath Aug 2018 #56

Same old Democrat bashing Cary Aug 2018 #91

It isn't "Democrat bashing" SkyDancer Aug 2018 #126

Which of the policies that he calls "radical left" are not already part of the Democratic platform? Squinch Aug 2018 #133

Correct: radicalism is an end in itself for radicals Cary Aug 2018 #141

I am embarrassed to say that I never understood that before. Squinch Aug 2018 #142

I helped you to think this through? Cary Aug 2018 #151

Yes you did! Thank you! Squinch Aug 2018 #153

Who is to say that the author is correct? He's expressing his opinion on others' opinions. George II Aug 2018 #71

Yup zipplewrath Aug 2018 #74

I'm wondering if you've read it thoroughly. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #17

It's actually worth reading the article linked... TygrBright Aug 2018 #26

Seems like old whine in new bottles to me Cary Aug 2018 #35

bottom line: politicians' "center" isn't voters' center yurbud Aug 2018 #38

You are radically wrong. Read the damn article and try to rein in your cognitive dissonance. hedda_foil Aug 2018 #42

Of course I am "radically wrong." Cary Aug 2018 #52

The author puts "radical" in quotes. Lunabell Aug 2018 #77

Please Cary Aug 2018 #92

There is "radical left" that has any sort of political pull SkyDancer Aug 2018 #125

K & R for the article and Nick Hanauer. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #2

WTF? To "reclaim the political center" they have to move toward the "radical left"? Are you/he... George II Aug 2018 #3

Why dont these rich democrats offer any person to be taken care of financially Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #9

Both parties have gradually shifted right over the decades, Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #13

The Democratic party has not moved to the right.. JHan Aug 2018 #18

There was a shift to the right after 9/11 Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #19

If your reference point is that deception, it still doesn't hold. JHan Aug 2018 #30

You're ignoring those who were knowingly complicit Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #31

That single incident is your proof of a massive turn to the right? JHan Aug 2018 #32

I never said our party had a massive shift to the right. Qutzupalotl Aug 2018 #33

Okay, I shouldn't have said "massive", i stand corrected.. but... JHan Aug 2018 #34

Obama talked about it zipplewrath Aug 2018 #53

You can argue that in America, legislation isn't as leftward as other countries. JHan Aug 2018 #68

Desegregation of the party zipplewrath Aug 2018 #69

Again the idealization has to stop. JHan Aug 2018 #70

Well, now you're discussing how zipplewrath Aug 2018 #73

It was FDR who established free trade policy. JHan Aug 2018 #75

I would be glad to move some to the right to eliminate the Nazi Cary Aug 2018 #96

I think Hanauer is right: moved right on econ. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #128

If you read my follow up replies on the New Deal you'd realise that it wasn't that great.. JHan Aug 2018 #130

It really wasn't the last decade EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #159

I agree that Rubin and Summers were wrong on somethings.. JHan Aug 2018 #160

Yes. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #162

Yup... JHan Aug 2018 #163

Corporate media has done a helluva job.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #20

It's certainly not the left of the more socialist European nations. And there are plenty of examples JCanete Aug 2018 #22

This is the United States of America, not any European nations. George II Aug 2018 #23

and the rest of my point is that we have moved right as a matter of "pragmatism." Your JCanete Aug 2018 #24

You really need to understand that the Scandinavian countries you keep talking about.. JHan Aug 2018 #93

I do, it was passed by Democrats only. We couldn't have passed a public option by JCanete Aug 2018 #94

It wasn't just that... we needed Independents to get it passed in the Senate. JHan Aug 2018 #95

Well it doesn't exactly instill confidence in me that the JCanete Aug 2018 #98

Should have, would have , could have... Lieberman won't be the first.. JHan Aug 2018 #100

No, its not a stretch to assume how he would have always voted, and he was shitty JCanete Aug 2018 #101

Rigid? JHan Aug 2018 #105

Tell you what, since it just takes us away from the issues at hand and becomes about semantics, JCanete Aug 2018 #111

It isn't semantics. JHan Aug 2018 #129

It is semantics. If we both agree on a definition, that becomes the definition in terms of conveying JCanete Aug 2018 #138

I know some people take up shifting goalposts as a hobby.. JHan Aug 2018 #139

I don't mind being wrong about things. I just disagree with you here. But as I stated, I ultimately JCanete Aug 2018 #140

It's not even left of the current Democratic platform. EVERY policy he uses as an Squinch Aug 2018 #134

two centers: "ideological center" and "majoritarian center" 0rganism Aug 2018 #27

more like money center vs. majoritarian center yurbud Aug 2018 #60

read the article. yurbud Aug 2018 #39

Excellent! Thanks for posting. mountain grammy Aug 2018 #4

This should be required reading for all Democrats wcast Aug 2018 #5

Worth reading the whole thing at the link. The OP's excerpt doesn't do it justice. nt Hekate Aug 2018 #7

More bashing democrats, I see. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #8

Why not read the article before BBG Aug 2018 #11

I read the article. He lists a number of policies that he says are illustrative of a "radical left" Squinch Aug 2018 #135

Best thing I've read in a long time. Thanks for posting. Snotcicles Aug 2018 #10

It is more constructive criticism than bashing, IMNSHO... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #12

Worth the read. KentuckyWoman Aug 2018 #14

Typical out of touch billionaire. kcr Aug 2018 #16

why should someone have to follow politics for a while to know Dems support a $15 minimum wage? 0rganism Aug 2018 #29

How do you miss the point he's a billionaire venture capitalist? kcr Aug 2018 #36

Obama said roughly the same thing about hanging out with rich people yurbud Aug 2018 #40

Obama started bashing Dems with ridiculous claims too? kcr Aug 2018 #50

From the AUDACITY OF HOPE: yurbud Aug 2018 #63

Yes. Obama is intelligent and thoughtful and self aware. kcr Aug 2018 #65

That was before he was president. yurbud Aug 2018 #72

What does that have to do with anything? kcr Aug 2018 #80

How has backing privatization of public schools HELPED unions? yurbud Aug 2018 #79

Yeah. I don't like Obama's stance on private charter schools one bit. kcr Aug 2018 #81

His basic premise is exactly right and poll data has proven it. yurbud Aug 2018 #82

Don't think so kcr Aug 2018 #83

If you read the article without knowing his background, would you still dislike it? yurbud Aug 2018 #164

Read the damn article. He says nothing of the sort. hedda_foil Aug 2018 #43

I actually quoted him, but ok n/t kcr Aug 2018 #49

K&R.. disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #21

Excellent and spot on article. KPN Aug 2018 #28

Except that every policy he lists as part of the "radical left" agenda we should adopt is Squinch Aug 2018 #136

I wonder why no liberal who thinks this guy is so great kcr Aug 2018 #37

I'd like to hear Democrats be honest about why they don't pursue those policies yurbud Aug 2018 #41

They're right in the platform. kcr Aug 2018 #47

Is that what they work on day in & day out & pull out all the stops for? yurbud Aug 2018 #61

They certainly don't spend day in and day out kcr Aug 2018 #67

Read the damn article! You are so far off base about where he's coming from you can't see the ball. hedda_foil Aug 2018 #44

Oh? Then why don't point out exactly why I'm so far off base? kcr Aug 2018 #48

He does in an earlier piece. MarvinGardens Aug 2018 #57

Not really. All he does is point out his gravy train isn't going to last. (edit) kcr Aug 2018 #59

From Pitchforks: MarvinGardens Aug 2018 #62

See my edit n/t kcr Aug 2018 #64

Medicare for All is not remotely sufficient. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #45

Social Justice and Economic Justice go hand in hand. You have to prioritize both. You can't JCanete Aug 2018 #66

It's not about ignoring. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #76

That isn't accurate. The lack of ecnonomic justice absolutely reinforces social injustice. JCanete Aug 2018 #78

That is backwards kcr Aug 2018 #84

wow, I made an argument. You just said "naha!!" Where was I wrong? Refute something. JCanete Aug 2018 #85

Oh come on. Like you haven't had that discussion a million times already kcr Aug 2018 #86

I have yet to see anybody actually take an argument I've made on this to task. if you can JCanete Aug 2018 #87

You must not come to DU much kcr Aug 2018 #88

so you aren't going to do it. I'll just take you at your word that you have the ammunition to JCanete Aug 2018 #89

People here are not Sisyphus, don't have time to waste on refuting wrong arguments over betsuni Aug 2018 #120

Oh hi betsuni, you're input is so very helpful. Forgive me if I don't reply to future posts JCanete Aug 2018 #121

"your" input. betsuni Aug 2018 #122

I drink your tears!!!!......dammit you pulled me back in... JCanete Aug 2018 #124

as to primary season, I was involved in some of those converations. Feel free to pull JCanete Aug 2018 #90

It is accurate. The very concept of race and male superiority had to be invented... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #97

Okay, i can't tell if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me here. You just made my argument JCanete Aug 2018 #99

I simply reiterated the same point I made in post #76, which you said was inaccurate. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #102

No you aren't. Really. There you said that social injustice perpetuates economic injustice, JCanete Aug 2018 #103

I made the exact same argument in post #97 that I made in post #76. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #104

First of all that isn't my postulation and I'm not sure who's postulation it is. JCanete Aug 2018 #107

Sanders, for example, has been very dismissive of the role racism played in Trump's rise. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #109

Again, most who vote for Republicans... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #106

But that's my point. Why are we continuing to separate these issues if we know JCanete Aug 2018 #108

Whereas you think the solution is in having an even stronger economic message... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #110

an economic message that is real and present in its benefits and gives the people JCanete Aug 2018 #112

As I've said... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #113

But again, you want to make race front and center without relaying to these white JCanete Aug 2018 #114

I'm not looking to appeal to Republicans. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #115

All of which get used by the powers that be, and we continue to let it happen because we JCanete Aug 2018 #116

Again, you think a different message will win them over. I don't. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #117

Fair enough and I feel that too. Its not that I'm positive by the way. I just don't JCanete Aug 2018 #118

Let me amend that last post slightly: Garrett78 Aug 2018 #119

Okay, I apologize in advance for keeping this thread going. I know these can drag and at some point JCanete Aug 2018 #123

Great article and worth reading bluecollar2 Aug 2018 #46

too funny, america will never move to the radical "left" beachbum bob Aug 2018 #51

I think you misplaced your scare quotes shanny Aug 2018 #154

FYI - by the author of "The Pitchforks Are Coming..." MarvinGardens Aug 2018 #58

Makes sense since the center has moved right as the GOP has veered closer to crazy town. Vinca Aug 2018 #127

Which of the policies the author calls "radical left" have not already been adopted by the Squinch Aug 2018 #137

A most excellent analysis! Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #132

Except for the fact that all the policies he identifies as defining Squinch Aug 2018 #144

Was this on the platform? Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #146

Why would that be on the platform? lapucelle Aug 2018 #148

And the National Mining Association's donations to Bernie Sanders. Squinch Aug 2018 #152

Why would you want to prohibit some guy who runs a forklift for Exxon from contributing Squinch Aug 2018 #149

Employers Pacs have nothing to do with unions or labor Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #150

According to Open Secrets explanation lapucelle Aug 2018 #155

Don't be silly, lapucelle! We are so rich that we can afford to turn away worker and union money! Squinch Aug 2018 #156

The real problem is that some people reach unfounded conclusions lapucelle Aug 2018 #157

Yep. If we look at anyone's donations we can find something to twist. Squinch Aug 2018 #158

He's ignoring the elephant in the room Mosby Aug 2018 #161