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Egalitarian Thug

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81. So are you saying that we must continue to fall further and further until those

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Thu Aug 9, 2012, 01:44 AM

Aug 2012

countries eventually change their laws and culture? That will take decades, maybe centuries.

What am I missing?

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I stand by what I wrote by the way, the Indian IT industry is taking jobs, period [View all] DainBramaged Aug 2012 OP

I agree. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #1

I agree. RagAss Aug 2012 #2

I agree Tikki Aug 2012 #3

as long as you condemn the industry and not the people hollysmom Aug 2012 #4

of course it's not the workers taking the jobs; it's the system, and us politicians/business/manage- HiPointDem Aug 2012 #6

Ask any one of them if you can buy a business there, preferably a gas station DainBramaged Aug 2012 #7

LOL why not. They are taking all our gas stations. American Made Aug 2012 #163

Sorry - can you clarify that? Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #168

Ask any one of them if you can buy a business there, preferably a gas station American Made Aug 2012 #171

And just WTF does investing in a gas station Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #173

Who said anything about that? I was responding to a post about gas stations. American Made Aug 2012 #174

Pardon, but your xenophobia is showing. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #175

How so? American Made Aug 2012 #176

Our anger should be directed at the American Billionaires who are outsourcing jobs in the..... LongTomH Aug 2012 #30

in my former career in the game design industry keroro gunsou Aug 2012 #195

Absolutely right! Before retiring I was a VP/GM with one of the world's largest outplacement firms. ohiosmith Aug 2012 #5

More than taking jobs, demolishing professional standards of competence. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #8

OH I c an certainly give my example about lying hollysmom Aug 2012 #12

I agree. undeterred Aug 2012 #9

I'm working side by side with Indians in IT Anansi1171 Aug 2012 #10

Think about the plumbing and the poverty in countries like India. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #37

I agree completely and have lived with such plumbing... Anansi1171 Aug 2012 #53

Your post is certainly buzzword compliant. jeff47 Aug 2012 #60

It may be too rich on the words but it has a mechanism to find work and mitigates a lack thereof. Anansi1171 Aug 2012 #73

But how, exactly, do you make it work. jeff47 Aug 2012 #75

I try to live very frugally, recycle, reuse and live wisely. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #89

I've always wondered how a country zzaapp Aug 2012 #151

I was one of the two Leave It Alone jury votes on the alert on your now hidden post LonePirate Aug 2012 #11

I thank you, there was NO racism intended DainBramaged Aug 2012 #14

Some times it is what it is. westerebus Aug 2012 #21

Same here Boss. Born in the USA. Fuck the job stealers. American Made Aug 2012 #164

It is not a race issue. It is about wages, about the valuation of work JDPriestly Aug 2012 #38

I'm on your side madokie Aug 2012 #13

You know, your anger is partly misplaced nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #15

Both India and China's economies were created by American corporations back in the 70's. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #19

Exactly,and instead of lashing out at OTHER PEOPLE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #22

I lash out at the industry, and I still love ya DainBramaged Aug 2012 #28

The problem is that you are lashing truly nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #33

How? China and India are both good examples. Collective bargaining is impossible in both Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #34

I know the prohibitions, they existed in the US nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #35

So are you saying that we must continue to fall further and further until those Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #81

No, what I am saying is that we need a multiple prong aproach nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #82

But doesn't it make sense to decide on, develop, and implement a solution Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #109

Right now we are all just fighting and pointing fingers nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #112

IOW giving up on them was such a bad idea that virtually everybody that didn't stand to profit from Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #142

We are at the small mind state nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #144

Very good point! Not accidental at all! NT Anansi1171 Aug 2012 #57

They're not taking our jobs. Our jobs are being given to them. Initech Aug 2012 #16

Exactly. eggplant Aug 2012 #39

Sure, here's an apple DainBramaged Aug 2012 #46

I'm not arguing with what you wrote, but that makes Bill Clinton and a host of Democrats Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #110

if the shoe fits frylock Aug 2012 #114

From where does your sig line come? I think I like it. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #143

I believe it is a Britney Spears quote. nt NCTraveler Aug 2012 #148

LOL, perfect! Thanks. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #161

+1,000. And they are desperate to survive, so they don't follow rules. Could happen anywhere. freshwest Aug 2012 #169

Be sure to read this thread... antigop Aug 2012 #17

And this one.. OhioChick Aug 2012 #36

LOL!!! And people used to say H1B workers aren't underpaid. Zalatix Aug 2012 #94

I have stopped responding to immigration posts simply because even on DU WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #99

Here are a few IT positions open at my employer (name redacted) WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #100

Put this up as its own thread and we'll have the discussion this deserves. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #113

Well, again, since I actually do this for a living, WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #147

And since I am quite literate I was able to read what you wrote and since I also did Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #160

Tell it, DB! NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #18

I agree liberallibral Aug 2012 #20

Globalisation abelenkpe Aug 2012 #23

I was just looking in my area, which is a high tech center, pnwmom Aug 2012 #24

I think US workers and Indian workers should form labor unions and unite together to demand more limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #25

I think we should have world peace, too. awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #26

You're right abelenkpe Aug 2012 #51

With the way that pay... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #59

Thinking about it... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #61

Bummer. abelenkpe Aug 2012 #74

absolutely and they are not as smart 2Design Aug 2012 #27

I agree Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #29

Reduces Incentive SoDesuKa Aug 2012 #77

I see many recruiters emailing me Panasonic Aug 2012 #31

I gave up applying for jobs YEARS ago DainBramaged Aug 2012 #45

do you actually work for Panasonic- snooper2 Aug 2012 #56

No Panasonic Aug 2012 #70

Can you clarify, what specifically are you advocating? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #32

My OP is pretty much self-explanatory and if you go through my journal DainBramaged Aug 2012 #43

Any other policy recommendations? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #67

K & R L0oniX Aug 2012 #40

India's strict visa regulations hamper entry of skilled foreigners OhioChick Aug 2012 #41

"Workers of the WORLD Unite" is still the answer. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #42

That,and we MUST remove our aggregate consumption as disruptively as possible from their equation. Anansi1171 Aug 2012 #62

I will believe there is no racial angle to this when... Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2012 #44

I can go to Canada or Australia tomorrow and work DainBramaged Aug 2012 #47

Your anger is misplaced NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #48

I can attest to it because I know someone doing it. Hired the guy, brought him over, Lionessa Aug 2012 #49

Similar with the visual effects industry flamingdem Aug 2012 #50

They are getting better abelenkpe Aug 2012 #54

Good point. They send the best people over to train them and then flamingdem Aug 2012 #65

also companies are "in-sourcing" again realizing it ain't all sunrise sending jobs to India snooper2 Aug 2012 #52

I posted a long response on exactly this point in the earlier OP on outsourcing to India / China. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #101

is there anyone here who disagrees with that? if so, they obviously don't work in IT... dionysus Aug 2012 #55

I noticed our friends from the NRA stayed out of this one DainBramaged Aug 2012 #88

K&R for defending your right to speak the truth as you see it. nt Skip Intro Aug 2012 #58

And it's NOT just IT either. Bonobo Aug 2012 #63

India has the most recipients of H-1B visas antigop Aug 2012 #64

The Indian IT revolution... Canuckistanian Aug 2012 #66

Why are the citizens of one country more deserving of jobs than citizens other countries? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #68

Did you forget where the internet came from??? L0oniX Aug 2012 #71

Al Gore. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #84

Americans deserve jobs in America if they are competent to perform those jobs DainBramaged Aug 2012 #83

Don't Indians deserve jobs in India if they are competent to perform those jobs? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #86

Why do they deserve our jobs? Why can't they create their own jobs form their economy? DainBramaged Aug 2012 #87

+1,000,000! Zalatix Aug 2012 #96

It is NOT the responsibility of America to employ anyone. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #104

Sounds like free market propaganda. nt Union Scribe Aug 2012 #106

Sounds like fallacious argumentation. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #107

Borders are real, as are the workers in them. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #180

I agree people are real, but borders are strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #187

Wow, nice anti-worker talking point there. Zalatix Aug 2012 #139

There is nothing anti-worker about my position. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #149

Not anti-India, but rather Anti-American workers. Zalatix Aug 2012 #153

I don't recognize boarders as real things, ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #155

And they all get fucked by the nonsense you spout Union Scribe Aug 2012 #181

Sorry for the spelling error. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #186

American citizens Aerows Aug 2012 #92

Those jobs are no longer American jobs, they are now Indian Jobs. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #105

Sounds like Repuke talking points to me. L0oniX Aug 2012 #116

Sounds like fallacious argumentation to me. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #120

If you are for jobs going to non-US citizens you might as well go work for Robme. L0oniX Aug 2012 #121

It's amazing, you think you know a member here, and BANG, BOOM, ZING DainBramaged Aug 2012 #125

... L0oniX Aug 2012 #129

Personal attacks are easier than making logical arguments. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #130

Stop, whining like a baby doesn't score points DainBramaged Aug 2012 #132

So, that is all you have. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #134

Meh DainBramaged Aug 2012 #138

Ever wonder why people used to support offshoring, but now 90% oppose it? Zalatix Aug 2012 #157

Which of my claims are wrong? ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #158

Is that one aspect of one issue the only difference you see between ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #131

They are American jobs. Zalatix Aug 2012 #140

Stolen by whom? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #150

Stolen by the Corporate elite. Zalatix Aug 2012 #154

Sounds like you are taking the Indian's side. If you like them so much why not move there? American Made Aug 2012 #166

I don't see the situation as American workers versus Indian workers. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #170

See if you can go to India and get a job there or start a business. American Made Aug 2012 #172

First of all, am I an not the one complaining. I am the content one in this debate. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #177

why is your life worthy while others aren't? fascisthunter Aug 2012 #118

I can empathize with workers in most industrial countries. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #122

then why even vote or have a country fascisthunter Aug 2012 #123

I vote because that is one aspect of the system we have in place for creating desired changes. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #133

+1,000. One faulty argument stomped. Zalatix Aug 2012 #141

I understand your feelings on this but I think arthritisR_US Aug 2012 #69

True, the oligarchs enable the resume cheating uponit7771 Aug 2012 #72

Foreign IT workers "with questionable resumes"? Just wait until we discover how many doctors AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #76

Because they check MD degrees before issuing a license. jeff47 Aug 2012 #103

That's adequate? No one has ever practiced medicine without a license in the recent past? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #108

One of the few benefits of our private healthcare system jeff47 Aug 2012 #145

You're wrong. Those who create fraudulent credentials from foreign countries are not going to AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #146

Insurance companies don't just trust the fake doctor. jeff47 Aug 2012 #162

They took our entire IT department a couple weeks ago. liberalmuse Aug 2012 #78

It is not racism DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #79

there's a longer video of this meeting I saw a few months ago but can't find it. juxtaposed Aug 2012 #80

They were offered jobs on a silver plated platter aikoaiko Aug 2012 #85

This is an interesting place... progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #90

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #115

I agree - you are telling it like it is Aerows Aug 2012 #91

I agree. AngryOldDem Aug 2012 #93

I think the multinational CFO's are giving the jobs to the lowest paid employees they can find LanternWaste Aug 2012 #95

The Indians didn't steal our jobs. The 1% stole our jobs and gave them to Indians. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #97

I disagree that it is 'racist' to argue this point. closeupready Aug 2012 #98

The real problem is that the corporations are GLOBAL, and the workers are "country bound". JoePhilly Aug 2012 #102

duh. global wealth of the 1% has no allegiance to country or flag datasuspect Aug 2012 #111

Your not incorrect, at all. Sometimes people get a little to 'pc'. nt cecilfirefox Aug 2012 #117

wow... "PC"... like original mannnnnn... fascisthunter Aug 2012 #119

So you believe that workers have the ability and the strength to "take" jobs? LanternWaste Aug 2012 #156

Asia will not let you work there. They fail to HATE THEIR WORKERS apropriately!!!! upi402 Aug 2012 #124

Its not that you are entirely wrong, your lens is just a bit out of focus me b zola Aug 2012 #126

dude... don't feel guilt fascisthunter Aug 2012 #127

Nope. Wrong. People like Rmoney are SHIPPING them out. Zax2me Aug 2012 #128

It's a cold, hard world out there. I make no apologies for wanting Americans to have jobs RZM Aug 2012 #135

North Korea is a new outsourcing destination FarCenter Aug 2012 #136

North Koreans need jobs very badly. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #137

So do Americans. Zalatix Aug 2012 #191

Yep rock Aug 2012 #152

1000000% agreed. EnviroBat Aug 2012 #159

Kick! sarcasmo Aug 2012 #165

To add rufus dog Aug 2012 #167

If you were an Indian, wouldn't you take the job? treestar Aug 2012 #178

Do you see the word industry there? DainBramaged Aug 2012 #179

Wait are you saying you tried to buy a gas station in India but got denied? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #185

If it doesn't add up, why not investigate it for yourself? DainBramaged Aug 2012 #188

Wait so now you have a problem with Indian motel and gas station owners? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #192

"But I think you go right up to the line of being racist and would go over the line" DainBramaged Aug 2012 #197

I'm more interested in why your ranting has expanded to include Indian-American hotel owners. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #203

Well, personal insult aside, the difference between your Grandparents (and mine too) DainBramaged Aug 2012 #204

No explanation? What do you have against Indian-Americans who own local shops? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #205

You bring up a good point in regard to staying vs leaving the US OhioChick Aug 2012 #206

As I wrote earlier, we had 20 living in an apartment in the building across from me DainBramaged Aug 2012 #207

I see your point entirely OhioChick Aug 2012 #208

Those that come here make a minimal contribution to our economy DainBramaged Aug 2012 #209

Placing the blame squarely on the migrant workers again. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #210

Then you need Indians to take the jobs to rise higher and demand more treestar Aug 2012 #199

So it's OK to lower the wage standard here, turning the US into a third world country? DainBramaged Aug 2012 #200

It's OK to raise the Indian wage standard treestar Aug 2012 #201

Not with our jobs DainBramaged Aug 2012 #202

I think you need to find another target JonLP24 Aug 2012 #182

Offshoring to India and the H1b visa twins.fan Aug 2012 #183

The company I used to work for toyed with it MNBrewer Aug 2012 #184

Where I work now they have been constantly approached DainBramaged Aug 2012 #189

+1! - I like your passion on this issue!!! twins.fan Aug 2012 #198

indians are not to blame...blame the greedy US corps looking to keep costs low HipChick Aug 2012 #190

The Indian H1B body shops are Indian twins.fan Aug 2012 #193

A lot of the firms are global, Indian companies have been buying out US companies HipChick Aug 2012 #194

With ill gotten gains, Indian companies are buying out other companies twins.fan Aug 2012 #196