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H2O Man

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49. I agree.

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:17 PM

May 2018

It's funny that other good people -- such as the other response to your thoughtful post -- react by saying that without the votes, it's foolish to run around yelling for impeachment. That tends to highlight the dangers found in attempting a short-cut to a rational discussion.

There are unlikely to be many "votes" for impeachment, if citizens do not engage in a rational discussion of the topic. In such a conversation, the only people yelling will be the alt-right. I refuse to allow their bad behaviors and ignorance to dictate my thoughts and behaviors. Likewise, those who attempt to distort the conversation with falsehoods are of little significance.

If 70% of Democrats at the grass roots level favor at very least discussing impeachment -- as reported recently on MSNBC -- then I believe it is a topic worthy of serious discussion.

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