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hfojvt

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9. I was ready to applaud this
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:17 PM
Aug 2012

until the nonsense about how the mortgage interest deduction "benefits the middle class"

Yeah, right. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/151

36.5 million tax returns took a mortgage interest deduction in 2009. That's out of 140 miillion returns. The mortgage deductions were worth $420 billion. Of that amount 47% went to those with incomes over $100,000. A group that is only 12% of tax filers. The TOP 12% of tax filers.

There were 29.5 million filers in the middle class - those with AGI between $40,000 and $75,000. Of that group only 10.6 million took a mortgage interest deduction - less than 36%.

And 42% of the itemizers were in the $60,000 - $75,000 part of that group.

40% of filers in the $50,000 - $75,000 range took a mortgage interest deduction whereas only 28% did in the $40 - 50,000 range.

And 67% took a mortgage interest deduction in the $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 range.

Their average deduction was worth $31,569 whereas the average deduction for the $60,000 - $75,000 group was $9,738.

Things like the mortgage interest deduction are simply worth much more to a much greater percentage of people - at the top. The middle class, and the country, would be better served by eliminating them, eliminating the extra work in tracking them and filling out the extra form - and just increasing the standard deduction.

The deduction for state and local taxes was worth $15.5 billion to those with incomes over $10,000,000. That's 8,057 filers.

Meanwhile, it was only worth $4.8 billion to the 3.4 million filers with income between $30,000 and $40,000. 76% of filers with incomes between $30 and $40k did NOT itemize whereas 97% of those with income over $10 million DID itemize for state and local taxes.

Tell me again, how that is a break that benefits the middle class. It benefits 97% of the super-rich by an average of $1.9 million and only 24% of those making under $40,000 (and over $30,000) by an average of $1,412.

edit - and that does not even include multiplying the bigger number by the HIGHER marginal tax rate and the smaller number by the LOWER marginal tax rate. Because the richer person pays a 35% (should be 55%, if I had my druthers) and the middle class person pays a 15% tax rate. The rich person's deduction is worth $665,000 and the middle class person's deduction is worth $212.

AND when you figure that an itemized deduction is only worth something to a taxpayer of the amount OVER the standard deduction of $10,900 for a couple (in 2008). Well, the rich person has already saved $661,000 in taxes while the middle class person hasn't saved anything until they come up with another $9,500 in deductions

It won't matter to the entrenched Republicans, and even some moderates jpljr77 Aug 2012 #1
We got to push this the same way Reagan pushed it in 1984 against Mondale. WI_DEM Aug 2012 #2
"The Plan Would Have To" DallasNE Aug 2012 #3
He hasn't spelled it out, but he's talked a lot about "closing loopholes" starroute Aug 2012 #4
Just a reminder of what the past looked like (adjusted for inflation): JHB Aug 2012 #5
those rates, if enacted today, would turn America into a 3rd world country within 5 to 10 years stockholmer Aug 2012 #23
Debate about the best rates is fine, that's why I posted this JHB Aug 2012 #24
I think that the US can keep on racking up massive debt, and thus keep the game going for at least stockholmer Aug 2012 #25
+1, define what rMoney would do by what he did in the past if he doesn't want to spell it out uponit7771 Aug 2012 #11
Krugman Is Saying Much The Same Thing i Say DallasNE Aug 2012 #14
I think Krugman is being far too optimistic starroute Aug 2012 #17
Let me guess who the other 5% are Bucky Aug 2012 #6
rMoney's plan is to raise taxes on the "job creators" -- the consumers whose purchases SDjack Aug 2012 #7
K&R!! n/t hue Aug 2012 #8
I was ready to applaud this hfojvt Aug 2012 #9
This is the problem with accountants and mathematicians JDPriestly Aug 2012 #12
what a terrible thing it is to look at facts, eh? hfojvt Aug 2012 #18
A higher standard deduction would be great, but it won't happen. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #20
well then by all means, we MUST keep all those tax breaks for the rich hfojvt Aug 2012 #21
You are forgetting the child care deduction, the student loan interest deduction. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #26
actually no I am not hfojvt Aug 2012 #27
Mitt's Goose is Cooked bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #10
Why yes this is a major issue! Quantess Aug 2012 #13
And their (Repubs) response will be.......... mrmpa Aug 2012 #15
But, But ... I Thought Republicans Were Anti Tax Increases - Say It Ain't So Mitt! cantbeserious Aug 2012 #16
Might have to wait a few days to break this news to conservatives. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #19
So, Republicans are LYING about taxes... Berlum Aug 2012 #22
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