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moriah

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38. I think the pragmatic concern IS not damaging Comey so much he's no longer credible on obstruction.
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

As I said, right now he's the enemy of our enemy. He sure as shit ain't our friend.

But, for example, I've seen people criticizing him for making decisions based on polls -- which is also what Trump is doing. But his decision was apparently more about transparency for the person everyone assumed would win. It could have looked damn bad for Clinton, made her election seem illegitimate, if the intelligence agencies suppressed information about the likely winner who was also of the incumbent administration's party.

You have to admit, had Hillary won, we'd probably still be mad at him but not enough to warrant him getting fired. Especially if that was his explanation to her for his actions. I think she'd rather have had a solid win under her belt rather than being vulnerable, as Trump has made himself, to allegations of a coverup after a questionable win.

I still would rather have her in office even if it meant "Buttery Mails" became even more prevalent on TV than it is now, but would she? The woman Trump wants people to think she is would actively engage in cover-ups (sooo much projection) and influence people, do anything to win, etc. The woman I think she is, the nominee I voted for? I believe she would rather have lost than have a win with any taint of illegitimacy to it.

And, take the referral of the Cohen issues to the SDNY. It doesn't really matter if Trump had an affair a decade ago. What matters is he wouldn't own it, and got it "fixed" just before the election. They're really trying to keep the Russia/foreign money transfers issues/obstruction separate from sexual allegations, and having the SDNY vs Mueller do it helps that. It's not the sex that makes this a concerning issue -- even if they didn't, he didn't have to pay her to silence her, others had already accused him of much worse than holding out a job possibility to get consensual sex one time --- but the blatant coverup. Yet I've see posts here suggesting Stormy faked her description of the person who she says threatened her, and sharing RW sources to do it.

I find so much schadenfreude in watching the Republicans destroy themselves I feel no need to hold long-term grudges against Comey right now. He doesn't have a job, which is what we wanted when we blamed him for the election being lost. He's getting to peddle a book, which I may read when I find it in a library, and the book is making Drumph lose his shit.

We're going to see anti-Trump conservatives who certainly aren't our friends. The strategic thing would be to promote the most critical articles that lack heavy tea party/evangelical content amongst people who recognize and trust those Conservative names. But not to buy into any idea that these people are our friends unless they actually decide to align with core Democratic values -- the big tent that knows if small groups who have similar interests in justice and equality work together, their voices can be heard in a way they can't alone.

If nothing else, he may be the epitome of "the enemy of your enemy" NOT being a friend, but... moriah Apr 2018 #1
I think it's because pragmatism is not really needed or even used in US politics ck4829 Apr 2018 #2
?? You're overlooking the one right in front of your face RandomAccess Apr 2018 #7
Because that's it. That's the drop of pragmatism in a sea of anti-pragmatism. ck4829 Apr 2018 #9
EGG-F***ING-ZACTLY ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #3
Purist activism only adds to the problem on both sides lunatica Apr 2018 #4
Using that logic, we should not complain about right-wing judicial activism because Trump StevieM Apr 2018 #5
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #6
Yup--pragmatism also must mean looking to the future and not into the rear view mirror. panader0 Apr 2018 #8
I'll take your word that they exist, but I haven't seen the posts that say, Squinch Apr 2018 #10
I fully understand the bitterness towards Comey while believing him on the obstruction issue. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #14
Do you think people venting about it will reduce the likelihood that his testimony about the Squinch Apr 2018 #18
You got it EXACTLY right. We must keep our eye on the prize... impeaching tRump. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #33
I think the pragmatic concern IS not damaging Comey so much he's no longer credible on obstruction. moriah Apr 2018 #38
AGREE 100% orangecrush Apr 2018 #11
YES. THANK YOU. We play into their hands if we're attacking Comey now. n/t pnwmom Apr 2018 #12
THIS FreepFryer Apr 2018 #60
Cogratulations on Your Well Thought Out Analysis, Tommy DDySiegs Apr 2018 #13
I just wonder why you keep hitting this topic and theme. Hortensis Apr 2018 #15
I Wonder Too Me. Apr 2018 #27
No doubt about it mtnsnake Apr 2018 #16
There ARE Republicans who want to put Cheeto in jail - Comey is one of them FakeNoose Apr 2018 #17
I'm reading his book, Denis 11 Apr 2018 #19
A VP for Democrats? Uh.. no. Squinch Apr 2018 #20
So lose again on the electoral college states. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #25
So the only way we can win is to have as VP candidate the Republican who trashed the Squinch Apr 2018 #26
The Republican party left Comey. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #31
Okie dokie then. You start that movement to put republicans onto the Democratic ticket. Squinch Apr 2018 #35
I remember we flirted with the idea of McCain as VP in 2004. Demit Apr 2018 #36
Is it me or is it really, really weird around here these days? Squinch Apr 2018 #37
Yes it's weird Denis 11 Apr 2018 #39
You were not "force fed" Hillary for president. You had a vote in the primary, if you used it. Demit Apr 2018 #40
If you were "force fed" Hillary for President, you may be in the wrong place. Squinch Apr 2018 #42
May be in the wrong country. Not everyone is emotionally Hortensis Apr 2018 #45
Hillary won the nomination receiving 4 million more votes than Sanders lunamagica Apr 2018 #44
She was a better candidate in theory than in practice. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #48
You were the one who said that Hillary was "force fed" to us lunamagica Apr 2018 #50
I was tossed off the Hillary board on DU, Denis 11 Apr 2018 #56
So you think we should have been force fed Sandes even though he was the loser (by millions) lunamagica Apr 2018 #65
Both of them didn't have the horsepower to win the race. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #66
People need a hero, and they don't want to see his feet of clay. Demit Apr 2018 #41
Why VP? Why not president? lunamagica Apr 2018 #21
I like Elizabeth Warren, Denis 11 Apr 2018 #24
Where Is This Coming From Me. Apr 2018 #30
It's why we lose. Adrahil Apr 2018 #22
+1000 n/t mtnsnake Apr 2018 #23
Yes. Thank you. GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #28
Pragmatism is more valuable in the real world. Orsino Apr 2018 #29
I fail to see how criticizing Comey for the crap he pulled last year is "echoing Trump's talking Demit Apr 2018 #32
And One Has To Wonder Me. Apr 2018 #34
Nowhere did I say that Comey is beyond criticism. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #46
WHAT course of action? What are you talking about? What "action" do you think people are taking Demit Apr 2018 #47
Pragmatism ONLY works when all sides are pragmatic. If one side is not, pragmatists lose every time TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #43
True Denis 11 Apr 2018 #49
+1. I will side with Comey vs. Drumpf. However, should he have the misfortune to rzemanfl Apr 2018 #51
Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #52
Pragmatism and sockpuppet control are both in short supply. FreepFryer Apr 2018 #53
I'm on the DU longer than you. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #58
I was responding to your post, not characterizing you. Do you not agree DU has a sock problem? FreepFryer Apr 2018 #59
I just hope you we're not trying to tell me to stifle. Denis 11 Apr 2018 #62
I wasnt even replying to a post of yours. I was replying to the OP. FreepFryer Apr 2018 #63
THANKS! Yes, elleng Apr 2018 #54
Thank you. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2018 #55
Ive been wanting to say that for a long time Clarity2 Apr 2018 #57
I am sometimes stunned by the political and even life lack of awareness of some. Blue_true Apr 2018 #61
Comey has firmly said he would do the same thing all over again. But you think he "secretly" lunamagica Apr 2018 #67
Wrong. Blue_true Apr 2018 #68
Link? because what I found is this lunamagica Apr 2018 #69
The interview that he did with the GMA host. He said what I pointed out. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #70
Did you read what I posted? lunamagica Apr 2018 #72
KnR Hekate Apr 2018 #64
WORD. Be pragmatic and sensible. People lead with emotions all too often. nt Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #71
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