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GaryCnf

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99. Sorry

Tue Apr 10, 2018, 09:45 AM

Apr 2018

Despite having to admit that I missed Effie's dad's age by 8 years and made a wildly inaccurate assumption about her mother's age, those errors do not in any way negate my real point that, for all that we share by virtue of our race, her family's accomplishments set them apart from a majority of others within our community and that those within that part of the community suffer in additional ways, ways that do not get discussed.

There is not one word in the OP about Effie which is anything less than laudatory or genuine. What there is are dozens of replies saying "We know you don't mean it. You really mean this." while STILL refusing to talk about the ways many in our community suffer in ways little changed since the Civil Rights era.

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May I acknowledge a DUer [View all] GaryCnf Apr 2018 OP

Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent and thorough post. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2018 #1

You might want to read it a little more carefully EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13

I agree Gothmog Apr 2018 #31

I saw that also as I read, montana_hazeleyes Apr 2018 #40

Agreed. yardwork Apr 2018 #65

I raised my spidey senses. GentryDixon Apr 2018 #106

Read it through twice. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #115

Clearly... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #150

you mean it is still WhiteTara Apr 2018 #163

I'm getting that the writer of this OP is AA. I'm still try to understand the motivation. brush Apr 2018 #176

Agreed NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #181

Exactly. n/t Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #187

I apologize for reccing before fully absorbing ecstatic Apr 2018 #209

Effie Black irisblue Apr 2018 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Apr 2018 #3

best post I've read on DU in some time - both Effie's part, and your response. Thank you (both!) NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #4

Actually, it is not... read it again radical noodle Apr 2018 #142

You should re-read this post- it is an attack on a DU poster Gothmog Apr 2018 #145

Of course it is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #151

.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #5

Well aren't you special, LexVegas Hekate Apr 2018 #14

Effie is original and sincere. LexVegas Apr 2018 #19

I ended up being quite confused by both of them and dropped out of the thread Hekate Apr 2018 #206

Unfortunately the OP was a hit piece in Effie. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #89

Yes it was... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #153

As I said to Lex, I ended up being quite confused by both of them and dropped out of the thread... Hekate Apr 2018 #207

You're right, Lex.. Effie takes excpetion to Cha Apr 2018 #17

Many of us know.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #21

Smart you! Cha Apr 2018 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Apr 2018 #6

Aloha, mcar.. Cha Apr 2018 #16

Do you think we will ever get to... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #7

Anymore, I am ashamed to be white and associated in any way with the judesedit Apr 2018 #102

You should not be ashamed to be White. That has never been the point. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #133

Beautifully said! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #140

Caliman is right. You should never be ashamed of who you are EffieBlack Apr 2018 #139

Serves no purpose for us white folk to shame ourselves I suppose Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #165

Incredible post Moral Compass Apr 2018 #8

Only if you think thinly veiled hit pieces on other DUers are incredible nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Apr 2018 #9

Kick dalton99a Apr 2018 #10

Hi dalton.. Aloha Cha Apr 2018 #18

Hi there, Cha dalton99a Apr 2018 #55

Very nicely done. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #11

Interesting post EffieBlack Apr 2018 #12

Thank you, Effie.. I read the whole thing Cha Apr 2018 #15

I dont think many have read the whole thing. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #22

Glad I did.. Cha Apr 2018 #26

To be honest I only had to read a few sentences to see where he was going. George II Apr 2018 #110

It's really disgusting. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #111

I wish we could say what it really is, but we dont dare. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #158

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #159

We arent fooled. This OP is a thinly veiled attack. LexVegas Apr 2018 #20

Not thinly veiled enough radical noodle Apr 2018 #32

Thanks for the support EffieBlack Apr 2018 #39

Your reply to the OP was classy radical noodle Apr 2018 #46

We know EXACTLY what is going on here. I just wish to FUCK we didnt have to Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #160

Agree 100%, radical noodle. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #118

Well said. emulatorloo Apr 2018 #27

Thanks! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

Good response to the OP Gothmog Apr 2018 #29

It is really interesting, Effie. It shows how you live rent-free in some people's heads lunamagica Apr 2018 #34

Lol - you're right EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35

The OP is petty. betsuni Apr 2018 #38

+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #58

Whether 100 or 92 GaryCnf Apr 2018 #61

More LOL! I love the part where you compliment yourself. R B Garr Apr 2018 #190

I noticed the same thing. yardwork Apr 2018 #63

Hear hear! (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #75

Hey, I can do better that THAT Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #161

You have written some outstanding OPs brer cat Apr 2018 #78

Ive stopped being surprised at the gaslighting and other dishonest tactics from a certain segment stevenleser Apr 2018 #83

... redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #127

Nope, they don't, there is no opinion here. It's a thinly veiled hit piece on another DUer. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #137

It is, and we have NO idea who is who here as to certain things, do we. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #162

And that has been no help really. stevenleser Apr 2018 #193

Your post displays far more class, intellect and dignity than the OP, Effie. ehrnst Apr 2018 #91

Thank you for addressing this Effie JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #104

Great response, Effie. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #117

It took me a while to finally read through all this. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #135

Thank you Effie lunatica Apr 2018 #138

oooh, excellent response! I saw those true colors from R B Garr Apr 2018 #154

Sadly we will have this to reflect on for some time...personally I am so fucking angry Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #156

I still don't get the motivation behind this OP. AAs and other POCs have all experienced... brush Apr 2018 #180

The point was never to suggest that any AA or other POC GaryCnf Apr 2018 #188

Still don't get it. We all live, have lived, or have family members in one or the other worlds you.. brush Apr 2018 #196

Let me start here. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #199

Couldn't disagree more. We are not a monolith. Progressives understand that as well as anyone... brush Apr 2018 #201

I may disagree with GaryCnf Apr 2018 #204

Here is the issue BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #205

This is a tremendous post. N/T GaryCnf Apr 2018 #208

Promise? Empowerer Apr 2018 #198

It felt off immediately. xmas74 Apr 2018 #184

Someone is coming off as petty, insincere and dishonest in this OP lunamagica Apr 2018 #23

I cannot believe this is not obvious to people. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #25

IKR? The intent is crystal clear lunamagica Apr 2018 #33

Benefit of the doubt is wasted on the wrong people. betsuni Apr 2018 #42

most people probably didn't read the whole thing JI7 Apr 2018 #45

Everyone now has had the time to read it all, so continued recs of the OP here tells us Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #173

Water is also wet Gothmog Apr 2018 #30

You seem like a good person but apparently you will say anything to protect a certain politician emulatorloo Apr 2018 #36

Damn! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41

I know, right! Cha Apr 2018 #48

BOOM! betsuni Apr 2018 #43

MaY I add RandySF Apr 2018 #44

+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #56

Outstanding, emulatorloo! Cha Apr 2018 #49

Excellent! lunamagica Apr 2018 #51

Posts like the OP don't reflect well on the candidates they appear to be supporting. yardwork Apr 2018 #68

Very true. betsuni Apr 2018 #70

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #84

Most importantly, he will be vetted by the voters as they've done already. BTW... George II Apr 2018 #109

Thats going to leave a mark... GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #121

Damn is right! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #174

THIS! RIGHT! HERE! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #189

And of course, crickets in response to this well thought out post. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #194

DURec leftstreet Apr 2018 #37

Isn't there a rule against personal attacks? RandySF Apr 2018 #47

Not a very cool way to go about making this point, bruh (nt) mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #50

When is your biography of Effie coming out? What's the title? betsuni Apr 2018 #52

"I know Cha Apr 2018 #57

"And nobody has more respect for EffieBlack than I do" dalton99a Apr 2018 #59

smh.. Cha Apr 2018 #60

Subtitled "BUT...." George II Apr 2018 #112

CLASSIC Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #167

DU Rec!!!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #53

A rose by any other name is the false equivalency that some would like to paint, in order to still_one Apr 2018 #54

Not a single Democrat or progressive or liberal or Socialist I know would ever mock and dismiss EffieBlack Apr 2018 #79

Bravo!!! Well said still_one Apr 2018 #119

Interesting how you have to dance so much, we all do, when what we should be Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #168

I think passive aggressive are the most cowardly among us. JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #62

I will remember this post. yardwork Apr 2018 #64

+1 nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #67

Might you try speaking for yourself... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #66

It occurred to me that the OP proves Effie's point. yardwork Apr 2018 #69

As I explained to Effie GaryCnf Apr 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Apr 2018 #73

And here I thought I was clicking on a something nice in this time of backbiting and snark. phylny Apr 2018 #72

Effie needs whitesplaining? Really? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #74

I would say not. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #76

Oh, man...I cant wait for the response you get to this... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #77

That's what this is. LexVegas Apr 2018 #82

Did I happen to mention I am a black female lesbian astronaut? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #169

#### ehrnst Apr 2018 #170

No you have not... tonedevil Apr 2018 #182

I saw this when it was first posted BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #80

The entire thing is a personal attack on Effie. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #81

Yes, I saw her responses last night BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #86

Excellent analysis. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #85

Yep a thinly veiled hit piece at Effie. The OP thinks themselves too clever by a lot. stevenleser Apr 2018 #87

I don't think people have actually read this hit piece. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #88

I read it through twice. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #120

Disgusting is what it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #123

Excellent - and every word true. Thanks: EffieBlack Apr 2018 #90

What is sad is that as of this post time, it still has 84 recs BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #113

There are two groups of "reccers" stevenleser Apr 2018 #143

Spot on. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #144

Agree BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #146

It's very emblematic of the way JPR types discourse. Very dishonest, rife with logical fallacies and stevenleser Apr 2018 #147

Yup. BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #149

Yup. But that is only on JPR, right? sigh Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #171

Unfortunately not. :-( stevenleser Apr 2018 #195

Very well said. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #94

Even though this will be incomplete GaryCnf Apr 2018 #97

You really should just let it go. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #100

To you GaryCnf Apr 2018 #103

And as a response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #107

I'll just ignore GaryCnf Apr 2018 #114

You can take it any way you want BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #122

Yeah, you are right there. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #126

As my response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #129

Now you are the victim? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #124

Amazing how that works right? They attack someone else and they are the victim. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #141

So what do you suggest? All you post is negativity. yardwork Apr 2018 #131

It's worse than plain negativity which would be honest. It's negativity often presented deceptively. stevenleser Apr 2018 #148

My spidey sense is tingling. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #92

What an insulting post that is! George II Apr 2018 #95

After actually reading your entire post, I suggest you self-delete it. MineralMan Apr 2018 #96

Sorry GaryCnf Apr 2018 #99

It was just a suggestion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #101

Unfortunately GaryCnf Apr 2018 #105

It was blatant to anyone paying attention. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #116

I wish we could just end all this dancing. One person Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #185

No hope for that, I'm afraid. MineralMan Apr 2018 #186

Except that you forgot to use this: George II Apr 2018 #108

You do realize that you are not making friends and have alienated a large number of posters Gothmog Apr 2018 #172

Really? Cary Apr 2018 #98

I don't know what to think anymore IronLionZion Apr 2018 #125

Funny how many white DUers in this thread think they have identified the "right side" of an internal redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #128

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #134

Funny how committed some posters are to creating divisions, isn't it? yardwork Apr 2018 #136

This isn't an "internal discussion within the African-American community" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #152

I know, right? Nonsense. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #155

I expected better GaryCnf Apr 2018 #183

What a surprise, the higher one climbs, the lower they aim nolabels Apr 2018 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author lunatica Apr 2018 #132

Remember that movie "The Help"? FakeNoose Apr 2018 #164

Excellent OP and responses ... n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #166

LOL! R B Garr Apr 2018 #175

Their record, 1/2 page double spaced, says it all. Wwcd Apr 2018 #178

It definitely reeks, all right. R B Garr Apr 2018 #191

There's no honest way to defend this bullsh** Wwcd Apr 2018 #192

Do not come for the Queen unless she calls you Empowerer Apr 2018 #177

No. You. Didnt. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #179

OMG! Cha Apr 2018 #197

I think that pretty much took care of it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #202

Yes, it's Cha Apr 2018 #203

My hat is off to those who read all the posts here. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2018 #200