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PDittie

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59. Yes, as mentioned

Wed Mar 21, 2018, 08:55 AM

Mar 2018

Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2018, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)

"bad actors right here at home for a long time".

I would like to point out, however, that simply because they can does not mean that they did. They could have, but we need proof.

Correlation does not imply causation. This is the strongest argument supporting a voter-verifiable and auditible paper trail, which I would support as part of every DRE machine used in a United States election. Should be the standard, irrespective of cost.

We need a new HAVA Act.

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Well, now we know why the voter rolls were hacked. [View all] Tatiana Mar 2018 OP

PSYOP- Psychological Operations...Psych WARFARE. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #1

Yes. This is weaponizing SOCIAL MEDIA. (nt) apnu Mar 2018 #2

I'd call it a form of cyber terrorism. Initech Mar 2018 #65

Its a bit of that, its also propaganda apnu Mar 2018 #72

OMG! I bet that's dead right. Squinch Mar 2018 #3

So would the theft of someone's campaign voter data Wwcd Mar 2018 #4

Looks like it... Tatiana Mar 2018 #6

I Love How Every Single Time They State...."NO VOTES WERE CHANGED" SoCalMusicLover Mar 2018 #5

Present even the slightest bit of evidence votes were changed mythology Mar 2018 #8

+1 PDittie Mar 2018 #14

I don't think it was about changing people's preferences central scrutinizer Mar 2018 #26

This is a fair point, because PDittie Mar 2018 #44

I disagree. The way the election was won using the electoral college indicates that Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #56

There are no space for rationel arguments right now... TomVilmer Mar 2018 #18

Gotta wash socks. BBL. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #76

That history orangecrush Mar 2018 #20

I have but ONE thing to say to you, ORANGECRUSH... The_REAL_Ecumenist Mar 2018 #38

Thanks! orangecrush Mar 2018 #47

I 2nd that OhNo-Really Mar 2018 #51

That sounds just like those pro Trumpstrs who claim there is no evidence Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #30

I'm in North Carolina Captain Stern Mar 2018 #41

Greene in South Carolina Farmer-Rick Mar 2018 #48

Somewhat non-sensical PDittie Mar 2018 #45

BradBlog always interesting to read OhNo-Really Mar 2018 #52

Why else would they do it? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #55

They hacked the votes too WestIndianArchie Mar 2018 #58

Yes, as mentioned PDittie Mar 2018 #59

In states where the votes only existed, briefly, as electrons... Orsino Mar 2018 #62

yep; i can't believe that anybody thinks that voting on computers with proprietary software, owned b TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #70

present the slightest bit of evidence that they WEREN'T. oh yeah, there isn't any, because there was TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #69

The Jill Stein vote was a product of targeting Bernie voters. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2018 #77

You And I Are Thinking Alike On This..... global1 Mar 2018 #9

It isn't necessary to change votes when you can remove your opponents voters from the DB. n/t rainin Mar 2018 #33

Bingo. As if we're supposed to believe the hackers went to all that trouble... brush Mar 2018 #40

Maybe they're saying NO VOTES WERE CHANGED because there's NO EVIDENCE THEY WERE? brooklynite Mar 2018 #54

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THEY WEREN'T; some of us aren't as trusting as you are. some of us TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #71

Cross check Cambridge Analytica's collected... magicarpet Mar 2018 #7

California becasue they were trying for a Cal-Exit movement? Texas too? bettyellen Mar 2018 #10

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you have it exactly right. Tatiana Mar 2018 #11

I don't like Cal-Exit, but I do think that if the rest of the country wants to keep Sophia4 Mar 2018 #21

The so-called Cal-Exit movement Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #25

I know that. Also that Russia connected people were behind it. They sow just enough chaos to bettyellen Mar 2018 #28

Are you saying they have damaged Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #29

No one knows what they did to or with voter reg files yet. They pollute the discourse bettyellen Mar 2018 #36

He has spent time in Russia, but he was born in New York. Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #39

"insert it into the bloodstream' is the exact words they used. Poison the blood. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #32

Exactly- they create controversial stuff then have pols point to it as if it is real! bettyellen Mar 2018 #37

All state and federal officials who spoke to NBC News agree that no votes were changed and no voters spanone Mar 2018 #12

Yes, Yes & Yes! peggysue2 Mar 2018 #13

We all knew social media was influential but we just didn't know how BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #15

How do they KNOW the votes werent changed? AllyCat Mar 2018 #16

I don't think they **know** Tatiana Mar 2018 #19

They don't. triron Mar 2018 #22

Because one cannot prove a negative PDittie Mar 2018 #24

Thanks to all the philosophers on the case here AllyCat Mar 2018 #50

You're welcome! PDittie Mar 2018 #53

You're asking to prove a negative. A logical fallacy. bearsfootball516 Mar 2018 #27

well then why do people keep claiming they know that no votes were changed? especially when there TheFrenchRazor Mar 2018 #68

K&R. dchill Mar 2018 #17

Louise Mensch, the unhinged British Witch, has been writing about this since at least April 1, 2017. pnwmom Mar 2018 #23

Ahhh, yes peggysue2 Mar 2018 #42

As NC GOP was using CAmbridge Analytica spike91nz Mar 2018 #31

Not sure what you mean by voter's data, Mr.Bill Mar 2018 #35

But Michael Moore said this Russia stuff is all just "a distraction" ehrnst Mar 2018 #34

Very disappointing. Walk and chew gum, Michael. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #49

Kickin and reccin backtoblue Mar 2018 #43

Nope. But he did congratulate Putin on his **awesome** victory! Tatiana Mar 2018 #46

That is what presidents do... TomVilmer Mar 2018 #57

They try to break into everything Amishman Mar 2018 #60

"Steve Bannon returns to Breitbart: 'I've got my hands back on my weapons'" Orsino Mar 2018 #61

Yep- That quote/article from the OP is very revealing in this new light. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #63

He specifically said "weapons." Tatiana Mar 2018 #64

I'll repeat my initial post- PSYOP- Psychological Operations...Psych WARFARE. -nt poboy2 Mar 2018 #74

I yelled - a LOT - at my polling place in 2016. raven mad Mar 2018 #66

What state? Tatiana Mar 2018 #67

Alaska - Interior (Fairbanks) raven mad Mar 2018 #75

Question Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2018 #73

Nonsense Crabby Appleton Mar 2018 #78