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Bradshaw3

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13. And how does this work to elect congress people in Montana?

Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:23 PM

Mar 2018

Or West Virginia, or North Dakota or western Pennsylvania or the many other places where Democrats win but where there are very few people of color?

I assunme you are aware that control of state legislatures and governships and control of Congress requires majorities and that that control is more importnat than winning the presidency? Legislative agendas, judgeships, many, many other crucial aspects of government are set by Congress and state government.

I'm sorry but you can mobilize all the black and brown people you want and it's not enough to win control of state and national governments. And if you don't win elections all the things you hate about repubs like voter suppression will just increase. There are millions of drumpf voters who had voted for Obama. That's a fact that some on hear don't like to hear but it's factually true. If you want to win control of governments you have to appeal to more than POC. That's how you win control of government. What do you not get about that?

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Minority voters, not Trump voters, are key to Dem victory. Why else is GOP suppressing their votes? [View all] EffieBlack Mar 2018 OP

Agreed jberryhill Mar 2018 #1

Bingo EffieBlack Mar 2018 #7

I can channel my inner white guy pretty well jberryhill Mar 2018 #12

This is awesome! A real keeper EffieBlack Mar 2018 #14

You know the problem with that sort of thing jberryhill Mar 2018 #16

Yup ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #2

Voter suppression, gerrymandering, lies, and dirty tricks dalton99a Mar 2018 #3

Minority voters are the base of the Democratic Party mcar Mar 2018 #4

+1 dalton99a Mar 2018 #5

Exactly..be nice to Trump voters is a diversion HipChick Mar 2018 #6

Exactly! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #9

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2018 #47

yup Afromania Mar 2018 #80

+1 treestar Mar 2018 #100

Black and brown voters will save this nation and the world... Mister Ed Mar 2018 #8

So what's being done to stop the vote suppression? leftstreet Mar 2018 #10

The DNC and various groups are fighting voter suppression Gothmog Mar 2018 #93

He thinks some officials can snap heir fingers and end it all. Oy vey. bettyellen Mar 2018 #109

It does not work that way Gothmog Mar 2018 #116

Please change and nobody gives a shit to I wasnt aware of the problem becasue many people do bettyellen Mar 2018 #103

Oh please leftstreet Mar 2018 #107

Your ignorance is showing. You really need to read up on the lawsuits and stop this foolish bettyellen Mar 2018 #108

I apologize for offending you leftstreet Mar 2018 #110

Im offended when people post that Dems are doing nothing when its an absolute untruth! I think bettyellen Mar 2018 #111

I never said anything about Democrats leftstreet Mar 2018 #113

Okay- but since this problem is and was cause by GOP give and GOP legislators..... bettyellen Mar 2018 #114

I'm a fan of the 'all of the above' approach crazycatlady Mar 2018 #11

And how does this work to elect congress people in Montana? Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #13

In those cases, take a page from Conor Lamb EffieBlack Mar 2018 #15

Never said to concentrate on trump supporters Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #17

I think you missed the larger point BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #19

Didn't miss a "point" that is factually untrue Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #25

I guess you missed the last sentence of the OP BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #32

Effie missed one leg of that strategy: we need to mobilize WOMEN and POC. Squinch Mar 2018 #57

No, I haven't forgotten women EffieBlack Mar 2018 #63

I know you haven't forgotten them, but because you didn't explicitly mention them Squinch Mar 2018 #102

This is why it is absolutely imperative that we encourage new immigrants from jcmaine72 Mar 2018 #90

It is only a zero sum game if Democrats literally cater to Trump voters Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #18

My point exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #20

Yes, but it is also counterproductive to wantonly antagaonize all former Trump voters Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #41

It's not my responsibility to sort them out EffieBlack Mar 2018 #46

I don't think anyone is advocating NOT hilighting how Trump is screwing - well, pretty much everyone Squinch Mar 2018 #61

In the abstract, no Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #70

"promote that message in blue collar white districts that voted for Trump" BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #71

Some cold hard calculations get made in the campaign politics line of work Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #72

There has apparently been a conscious decision BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #74

This is a great analysis EffieBlack Mar 2018 #79

My OPs tend to sink BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #81

Even if people don't respond doesn't mean they aren't reading and learning from it! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #86

I know BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #87

I agree with you. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #89

I guess what I am saying is when you analyze PA-18 BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #91

need to educate Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #97

Personally, I'm capable of holding two thoughts in my mind simultaneously Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #21

If Trump voters are not racist they would understand why someone JI7 Mar 2018 #22

Kind of proves my point that people are not distinguishing between Trump supporters & Trump voters. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #24

They have no problem calling mexicans rapists and criminals JI7 Mar 2018 #27

There is a difference between the trump "voter" and the trump "supporter/worshipper" Afromania Mar 2018 #84

Thank you Thank you Thank you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #88

If you align with racists, vote with racists, vote for racists - all the while ignoring POC who told EffieBlack Mar 2018 #23

It's the risk we take, though, when we paint them all with the broad brush Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #29

Maybe we risk losing minorites by making it worse to call out bigotry JI7 Mar 2018 #30

I have NEVER said don't call out bigotry. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #33

If they are not racist they would understand why people think they are JI7 Mar 2018 #34

So let's take that as a given. What would make it more likely that a non-racist Trump voter Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #36

If they are not racist they would vote in a way which shows that JI7 Mar 2018 #37

You're completely missing the point. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #42

Racism is the very foundation of Trump's world view - the two are inextricable EffieBlack Mar 2018 #48

You are either very young Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #73

I am neither young nor inexperienced EffieBlack Mar 2018 #85

So you would be OK in the 60s ago with voting for someone who insisted that marriage Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #105

I'm not suggesting that Democrats call them names or insult them EffieBlack Mar 2018 #44

Funny how Im told I need to understand the complex thinking of Trump voters EffieBlack Mar 2018 #26

I never said they were victims, or anything about the complexity of either their or your thoughts Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #31

If anyone supports Trump at this point in time with all they know about him, they ARE either racist EffieBlack Mar 2018 #45

Please read what I am saying not the straw man you are attributing to me. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #75

Voices From Alabama: Black Women Who Voted for Doug Jones Gothmog Mar 2018 #94

You are absolutely correct. It is wrong to label all Trump voters as "racists." Just NOT true. LBM20 Mar 2018 #50

You can't vote for an openly avowed racist to run your country without being racist yourself. Squinch Mar 2018 #59

Black Caucus Leader: How Black Alabama Voters Broke Obama Record The Beat With Ari Melber Gothmog Mar 2018 #95

If they voted for Trump, they voted for a racist. Adrahil Mar 2018 #83

Maybe, but more effort treestar Mar 2018 #101

Absolutely. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #106

Kick, Recd, and Bookmarked emulatorloo Mar 2018 #28

Yep, but white Democrats seem to frequently have issues coming to terms with that Spider Jerusalem Mar 2018 #35

+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #38

This. K&R. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author backtoblue Mar 2018 #40

Amber Ruffin, "You're welcome!" Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #43

We need both. It is never one or the other. We need Dems who voted for Trump to come back too. LBM20 Mar 2018 #49

You cannot ignore the South BumRushDaShow Mar 2018 #53

most Dem Trumpers are Dixiecrat types, radius777 Mar 2018 #115

Your last paragraph is absurd BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #51

so why the fuck didn't they vote for Obama himself ? JI7 Mar 2018 #54

I'm fascinated by the amount of trouble you go through to defend and explain the Trump voter EffieBlack Mar 2018 #64

Link to where anyone is saying they should be a priority BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #68

Yes- its the non voters who have been corrupted by the all the same memes we need to educate on bettyellen Mar 2018 #104

Black Voters Send A Message With Doug Jones Win AM Joy MSNBC Gothmog Mar 2018 #96

We would be winning in places like Mississippi if the vote was not supressed. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #52

nothing new at all, what we need to do is spend the money to attain the proper beachbum bob Mar 2018 #55

Kind of strange that so many who are cool with people like Bernie trashing our party lose their shit MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #56

I think it's a white male thing. Squinch Mar 2018 #58

Cant disagree with that. MrsCoffee Mar 2018 #60

Ain't it, though? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #65

Indeed. dalton99a Mar 2018 #99

And the same people would complain about the "capitulation" treestar Mar 2018 #117

Well, making people angry has a way of getting them to vote. Hortensis Mar 2018 #62

Yup the bastards are doing that right now in Atlanta GA workinclasszero Mar 2018 #66

EXACTLY! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #67

K&R. ck4829 Mar 2018 #69

Minority, youth and women are the targets. lark Mar 2018 #76

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2018 #77

Because Bernie needs tRump voters njhoneybadger Mar 2018 #78

They are also trying to convert Democrats and lefties into Trump voters too aikoaiko Mar 2018 #82

Agreed Gothmog Mar 2018 #92

True treestar Mar 2018 #98

of course bdamomma Mar 2018 #112